Nothing ever happens by itself

SuiGeneris wrote:

Let’s start with a little disclaimer: What I write in this thread comes from my heart and mind as I see things today or the day when I am writing it. I may have a different vision of things in the “future” as I am constantly learning and my gnosis expands.

SuiGeneris wrote:

If you are asking about the love between two people, the affective love, the romantic love that is one thing and we can always talk about that too. But if you meant the actual word love and what it means to me here it is:


Love is everything. Love is not just a feeling but the All as well as the base, the most infinite structure of what you see all around you. Love is The Logos/God/Creation and therefore has no opposite because it is all encompassing. Love is you and is in you. Love is you and me.

Inanna wrote:


it would be very difficult to improve on Xeia's answer, as i agree with every word of it!
..... we can always remind ourselves that sometimes Love is Tough .... in its expression and its receiving.
.....Express and Receive Love--even in its Tough forms--from one another and the Universe.

SuiGeneris wrote:
Null you dare say?
.......... of changing their mind... Oh well, guess what? If people were not allowed to change their minds, we would still be Neanderthal...hmm...Is that why some men are having such a hard time adjusting to the new feminine energies? Ohhh, the resistance!

Nebula wrote:
we have to become love by loving ourselves and going within ourselves to tap into or re-connect ourselves to the love energy...the part of us that connects us to All that is.
love,

Nebula

Nebula wrote:
I am here to learn, share, express and explore myself as well as my surroundings and commune with like minded people.

Nebula wrote:
The word 'logo' does sound kool :) but as you know its one of the many lables used to describe the source of ALL, the divine, God, Creator, ALL that is. I'm still in my learning, rememberance and realization process, So at this point, I cannot fully explain what my exact mission is; But I can simply say, i am here to be service or help to others in whichever capacity or ability possible. it can simply be making someone smile or laugh to sharing/teaching them something.

Nebula wrote:
That's interesting perspective, I don't have all the answers to your question. I do know Love is a big part of it :)

Nebula wrote:
I'm not sure what you asking here, but my assumption is you're asking about a stargate or merkabah! As for the stargate i do not have the knowledge and means to make it happen, maybe one day. And as for the Merkabah, that is our goal and i'm a working progress. I Hopefully i would oneday activate my merkabah and rejoin my star family with the help of the logos.

Everything changes, everything evolves.

Nebula wrote:
Intent, Honor, Integrity! Hmm... how nice, they all compliment each other :) I always strive for positive and clear intentions in all I do and be honest with myself and those i interact with or around me. I always try to carry myself with integrity to the best of my ability but i know i am not complete, to say otherwise is a lie. We all fall short of the mark many times due to our egoism, ignorance, arrogance, shortcoming, regrets..etc. and i believe, i am here on earth to learn more about myself, look within and work towards becoming more complete in intent, honor and integrity :)

Nebula wrote:
Love is many things according to human understanding. But to attempt in answering your question... Love is everything, its all around you, within and without. At this point, as humans, i don't think we have the ability or capacity to even begin to comprehend what real love is..divine love. But we are moving closer to that realization as we evolve into starhumans. I can share this, we have to become love by loving ourselves and going within ourselves to tap into or re-connect ourselves to the love energy...the part of us that connects us to All that is.

love,

Nebula

Allisiam wrote:


Define here. My location is everywhere and everyone, I encompass all. If you are speaking of my body itself, then when I identify with that vehicle, I am at any location definable according to where that body is within the time and space axis . My perspective is relative to where my consciousness is focused at the time. I can be anywhere, anyone and anything I choose to be. All people, places and things, are contained within me.
I am HERE because I chose to BE.

Allisiam wrote:
I know all things, unless I choose to forget, in which case I have played this role too.

Allisiam wrote:
I invited myself through my rememberence of my forgotten self.

Allisiam wrote:
Words are symbols, archetypes , that I use as a map to find my way within my complex self, as well as triggers to remind me of who I am when I have lost my way. Words paint a picture in my 3-D mind and expressions, of this particular landscape of myself and allow me to communicate with my other selves. Logos is one of many expressions that I am. I contain all words and all contain me. I wish for all of my selves to ‘SEE’, or rather remember who and what they are.

Allisiam wrote:
I am on a ‘mission’ to find my lost self in all of YOU, within me. I have signed everything, if you look you can find my signature in all that is, and my contract cannot be broken for it IS creation herself. I have written my signature in your very heart and when you experience love in any of it’s various forms, it is the evidence of my hand.

Allisiam wrote:
Remember

Allisiam wrote:
It has already happend and I am here within all of YOU to witness it inside creation, if you will only remember, and in rememberance , WE will see together it’s unfolding.

Allisiam wrote:
You are the Logos and in remembering this, it FULFILLS everything in the now, past, present and future, creating the NEW self out of the OLD forgotten self. The flower of life opens as you open, and you become the bridge, wormhole, stargate, MIRROR of its reflection in everlasting life.

Allisiam wrote:

"INTENT, HONOR, INTEGRITY"
Now i ask all of you - do you have that?

Do you? Do you have the intent, honor and integrity to remember who you really are?

Allisiam wrote:
Indeed, just ask all of my forgotten selves who continue to argue and kill each other over words, they will remember and they will judge themselves accordingly. In their remembering they will slay their own false self against the cross of TRUTH, as did I in my life as Jesus.




Stand up and remember WHO you are and in doing that you WILL have the answer to what LOVE is, as well as the answers to all your questions. LOVE is your true self, knowing itself as ALL of creation, within and without what you call your 3-D body.
Loving you as myself, ALL IS I AM

SuiGeneris wrote:

Nebula wrote:
we have to become love by loving ourselves and going within ourselves to tap into or re-connect ourselves to the love energy...the part of us that connects us to All that is.
love,

Nebula

I think we may have forgotten something very important here and that is that we cannot "become" love because we already are love aren't we? Ok but... in our process of remembering and reconnecting to this divine truth how do we define what we actually do feel right now? Do you categorize it? Do you feel different types of love? and if you do...how do you make the jump into feeling just one type? The type that encompasses all?

Sui♥

Inanna wrote:
(3) that it seems like nothing anyone says in response to your original query either pleases or satisfies you .... all our responses are lacking in some way ..... no "Positive Feedback" from you Ever;

(4) you are a "hard task-master," (which may have positive as well as negative connotations).

Rok wrote:Having an "open mind" statement is greatly exaggerated. It is mostly used as a precautionary "preamble" before people tell what they think and or do/practice.

People do tend to change their point of view but i prefer them to remain focused and reliable. That is my personal preference.

"Knowing" can be updated sure...but staying on the same track and not doing too many curves and going against yourself along with it is what keeps the integrity in check.
But if someone comes to me...having one point of view one day...changing it over night...coming back...using "adjusted" point of view.....i can not call that "consistency" and it is also my personal preference not to go into that and not to just simply accept much of that from anyone else..it is just simply not reliable, since it can be misused to the great extent.

Peoples needs, Ego and spiritual advancement are terms in need of detailed definition. Now days you have lovers and lighters all over the place. But the fact is that most of them are far from what they claim...a pure self delusional fakes. I am not saying you are in that group. Basically it is your intent that matters....or to say - WHY you do something and the way you do it. But this intent can not be seen if people are not honest with themselves....people need to stop lie to themselves.

Love is a big subject and i wish more would participate in this thread to discuss it. What is unconditional? What is mental? Where is the difference? What is "real love"? 3D love, 5D love? Being exclusive, sharing, possessiveness, jealousy,... Different kinds of love? Love towards all, love towards specific people?.... etc

The way you describe it somehow reminds me about the saying that love is a bio-chemical process in body and brain...now all we need is some love and light to "elaborate" on how this should be "spiritually enhanced".....

Or...each of US here can try to drop their own moral and preconceived notions...stop bullshitting ourselves and talk what that is.... in the process risking that we might get hurt.. but we need more people to cooperate to do that.

Hola bebé!

What good is it to have an open mind if you are not going to deprogram it from all these years of society’s garbage in indoctrination? You can’t fill a glass with clean water if it is already full of dirty water…you must empty it first and the give that glass a good scrub!!

Hey! I don’t change my point of view or my perspective that often but I do take into account all data as it comes to me…right now things are happening faster than the speed of light at least for me and by nature I am open minded, however I can hyperfocus.. Now, if you see that I took different shape and consider something different at some point, that doesn’t mean I am not reliable…that only means you expect me to remain still, your own expectations are being challenged…So go tell your ego to take a walk… :)

Staying on the same track? Never!… unless you mean lifepath as track…then yes, otherwise I don’t usually stay on the same track unless it has been proven to be all terrain… There is no one pill to cure all ills… Not doing too many curves you say? Well, Ha ha ha…I am all curves baby! But I thought you like curves?

“Integrity in check”?? I didn’t know you were keeping tabs…. Well, the only one who I always mind to please is myself so my integrity is a very personal affair…Then after that I am happy happy to please all my friends!

About your “consistency” speech and it being and not reliability being “misused”... Baby, ppl can say anything…and are free to misuse pretty much anything at any time to get what they want; I know it is not the utopian world one dreams of but it is today’s 3D Matrix and it happens all around you…are you gonna hate the world for it? The only thing you can do is to work on yourself. Be yourself the change you wanna see in the world.


Human relationships are tricky tricky…so I do not concern myself too much about what “society” or ppl say or don’t say…do or don’t do…unless they are my friends or lovers and are so close to me and I care to understand exactly what they mean to say. If this is the case I ask and are pretty upfront and direct in order to get a direct answer…. There are many ppl in my life who are nothing like me yet I love them to death!!! If someone doesn’t meet your desired expectation…couldn’t that be your own ego deceiving you?


Unconditional love is loving without preset conditions like: “I only love you if you love me” for example. This is almost never uttered yet many ppl function on this premise almost unconsciously all the time. They love IF……

Mental love is loving someone only mentally I guess… thinking about that person, the act of loving them, etc… all as an exercise that happens in the brain. Can you talk about loving someone when you’re not really in love with that person? I guess it can be done…if it’s only words right?

They may have some impact on your heart depending on how much you like that person, but I think I can do this only if my heart is not compromised… I mean I think I can mentally detach my heart and not have any feelings if need be but when it comes to trying to do this when I already have feelings for that person it is a whole different ballgame.

Emotions come into play and it is very difficult at least for me to repress my emotions, so yes the whole world tends to find out when I am in love….Anyway why repress? My motto has always been express not repress… Mental love can be fun… I daydream a lot too and the use of imagination is a good 5D exercise!

Speaking about the different types of love… For me, before falling in love I need to feel a special chemistry between him and me…that initial attraction that sets the mood right away and makes me forget everything else other than… “I want him”.

Then, after I find out he is more than just a nice body and someone I actually enjoy talking to and can make me mentally aroused then at that point I’m pretty much set..lol Is this too 3D for a “love and lighter”?? …perhaps, I never classified myself as anything anyway.

This type of love is strong, is physical, chemical, it’s emotional and it feels awesome if it’s shared by both at the same intensity. I think being jealous and possessive is not all that bad unless you take it to the extreme… Again emotions are emotions and I allow myself to feel the whole spectrum without reservation. About the issue of being exclusive with him or sharing him…I think that if we both compromise on something then it is a valid solution for both of us regardless of what anyone else thinks.


To me 5D love means to surrender to love. To want to make him happy first no matter what, who, where, how long, situation, etc, etc…. no conditions…no if’s...not as a slave, but in a way of wanting to share the love I already have inside...for myself and towards him.

Achieving this now while still living in duality is a great undertaking only attempted by the courageous! Yes we might get hurt along the way while trying…but so what? Maybe later on in the process we’ll understand that we get “hurt” by our own preconceived notions or egos, and after that awakening we will feel pain no more… facing our own BS is always positive anyway...

I say the end result is worth it….

Inanna wrote:Rok--

"You even managed to beat Tony in confusing me..."

This is too hysterical, Rok!!! You are such a [i]hoot!

As i have been reading this thread since you originally posted it, i have formed several impressions:

(1) that the quality of the responses from our various sister-brothers & brother-sisters has been amazing;

(2) that your responses to their responses typically have seemed to me to be quite insightful and intellectually rigorous;

(3) that it seems like nothing anyone says in response to your original query either pleases or satisfies you .... all our responses are lacking in some way ..... no "Positive Feedback" from you Ever;

(4) you are a "hard task-master," (which may have positive as well as negative connotations).

I'm not really "making" anything concrete out of these observations ..... just offering them up for general "edification." I have, however, found myself wondering if maybe you should just be asking YOURSELF these questions ..... since only YOUR answers will be truly valuable for you anyway. (of course, since you are me & I am Sui & Tony is Nebula and Allisiam is all of us ..... i guess you already are doing this!?!) :idea:

I love you, Rok!

inanna

Dear sweet Nana...

What exactly is a hoot? lol

Your "impressions" are really something babe!! hehe..

As far as your first impression goes, I don't really measure the quality of the responses but I can appreciate how raw they are, I mean... how "politically incorrect" or BS-less they can be.

Second, his responses to the responses may have been somewhat insightful yes, but intellectually rigorous? I don't think so...there is nothing rigorous in his part about his intellect, it comes naturally to him.

Our beloved Hades merely contemplates the way in which we lie to ourselves and make a mock out of anyone else we don't understand all while he stirs ever so meticulously his cauldron of self guilt and preoccupations down in the depths of his self-made underworld. Yes, I've felt the fire of his wrath and let me tell you it's not pleasant. Oh wait...did I just use that word..pleasant? Oh no! it's contagious! lol

Third, Oh yeah you got this part right! Nothing will ever satisfy him I'm afraid...after all this is Hades we're talking about here... However, I am not in this thread to satisfy him!!! I mean (I wouldn't mind doing that if he were to ask nicely)...but that's a different story... I am in this thread to satisfy my own curiosity as to the opinions of my fellow dragons here...


Hey I have an idea Nana!...Why don't we turn the mirror and ask him some questions for a change huh??? For example: "Pssst, hey Hades! How do you practice 5D love while still being stuck on 3D?"

Fourth, just the idea of him being a "hard task-master" on me makes my heart skip a beat regardless of any connotation!!

Yes Nana...we have to throw the ball at each other and observe how we best handle it in order to find a common ground no? That is why it is so crucial to speak our minds about our own experience and not making general conclusions in order to close the subject and hide it under the rug to never open it again as it is commonly done on other modded forums.

We definitely don't need to agree (or disagree for that matter) on everything, but pushing each other buttons is definitely allowed here. After all, we are a family and we love each other already and will forgive all of our trespasses... Amen!

Oh yeah, and that goes for you too Hades!!! We love you!!! You are one Master of the Underworld!!!


In eternal awe of the sparkly light of love,

Nebula wrote:

Yes we have forgotten that we are already love, we have to remember or re-connect ourself to that divine truth, divine love. There are somethings we will never be able to fully difine or understand using our human language, thoughts..etc. especially at this 3D level. You ask, 'do you feel different types of love?' yes... there is earthly love...love of all kinds, be it a person, place or thing! and there you can categorize all you want. We also have been to told that, there is a higher kind of love, a purer kind of love. Divine love, Love that encompasses All. My friend, this is the love we strive to attain, feel, remember... the love we need to remember and re-connect to..... :)

"I'am in the love of the All and ALL love is in me."

SuiGeneris wrote:
What good is it to have an open mind if you are not going to deprogram it from all these years of society’s garbage in indoctrination? You can’t fill a glass with clean water if it is already full of dirty water…you must empty it first and the give that glass a good scrub!!

SuiGeneris wrote:
Hey! I don’t change my point of view or my perspective that often but I do take into account all data as it comes to me…right now things are happening faster than the speed of light at least for me and by nature I am open minded, however I can hyperfocus.. Now, if you see that I took different shape and consider something different at some point, that doesn’t mean I am not reliable…that only means you expect me to remain still, your own expectations are being challenged…So go tell your ego to take a walk… :)

SuiGeneris wrote:
“Integrity in check”?? I didn’t know you were keeping tabs…. Well, the only one who I always mind to please is myself so my integrity is a very personal fair…Then after that I am happy happy to please all my friends!

SuiGeneris wrote:
About your “consistency” speech and it being and not reliability being “misused”... Baby, ppl can say anything…and are free to misuse pretty much anything at any time to get what they want; I know it is not the utopian world one dreams of but it is today’s 3D Matrix and it happens all around you…are you gonna hate the world for it? The only thing you can do is to work on yourself. Be yourself the change you wanna see in the world.

SuiGeneris wrote:
Human relationships are tricky tricky…so I do not concern myself too much about what “society” or ppl say or don’t say…do or don’t do…unless they are my friends or lovers and are so close to me and I care to understand exactly what they mean to say. If this is the case I ask and are pretty upfront and direct in order to get a direct answer…. There are many ppl in my life who are nothing like me yet I love them to death!!! If someone doesn’t meet your desired expectation…couldn’t that be your own ego deceiving you?

SuiGeneris wrote:
Unconditional love is loving without preset conditions like: “I only love you if you love me” for example. This is almost never uttered yet many ppl function on this premise almost unconsciously all the time. They love IF……

SuiGeneris wrote:
Mental love is loving someone only mentally I guess… thinking about that person, the act of loving them, etc… all as an exercise that happens in the brain. Can you talk about loving someone when you’re not really in love with that person? I guess it can be done…if it’s only words right?

SuiGeneris wrote:
They may have some impact on your heart depending on how much you like that person, but I think I can do this only if my heart is not compromised… I mean I think I can mentally detach my heart and not have any feelings if need be but when it comes to trying to do this when I already have feelings for that person it is a whole different ballgame.

SuiGeneris wrote:
Emotions come into play and it is very difficult at least for me to repress my emotions, so yes the whole world tends to find out when I am in love….Anyway why repress? My motto has always been express not repress… Mental love can be fun… I daydream a lot too and the use of imagination is a good 5D exercise!

SuiGeneris wrote:
Speaking about the different types of love… For me, before falling in love I need to feel a special chemistry between him and me…that initial attraction that sets the mood right away and makes me forget everything else other than… “I want him”.


Then, after I find out he is more than just a nice body and someone I actually enjoy talking to and can make me mentally aroused then at that point I’m pretty much set..lol Is this too 3D for a “love and lighter”?? …perhaps, I never classified myself as anything anyway.

SuiGeneris wrote:
This type of love is strong, is physical, chemical, it’s emotional and it feels awesome if it’s shared by both at the same intensity. I think being jealous and possessive is not all that bad unless you take it to the extreme… Again emotions are emotions and I allow myself to feel the whole spectrum without reservation. About the issue of being exclusive with him or sharing him…I think that if we both compromise on something then it is a valid solution for both of us regardless of what anyone else thinks.

SuiGeneris wrote:
To me 5D love means to surrender to love. To want to make him happy first no matter what, who, where, how long, situation, etc, etc…. no conditions…no if’s...not as a slave, but in a way of wanting to share the love I already have inside...for myself and towards him.

SuiGeneris wrote:
Achieving this now while still living in duality is a great undertaking only attempted by the courageous! Yes we might get hurt along the way while trying…but so what? Maybe later on in the process we’ll understand that we get “hurt” by our own preconceived notions or egos, and after that awakening we will feel pain no more… facing our own BS is always positive anyway...

SuiGeneris wrote:
Our beloved Hades merely contemplates the way in which we lie to ourselves and make a mock out of anyone else we don't understand all while he stirs ever so meticulously his cauldron of self guilt and preoccupations down in the depths of his self-made underworld. Yes, I've felt the fire of his wrath and let me tell you it's not pleasant. Oh wait...did I just use that word..pleasant? Oh no! it's contagious! lol

Third, Oh yeah you got this part right! Nothing will ever satisfy him I'm afraid...after all this is Hades we're talking about here... However, I am not in this thread to satisfy him!!! I mean (I wouldn't mind doing that if he were to ask nicely)...but that's a different story... I am in this thread to satisfy my own curiosity as to the opinions of my fellow dragons here...

SuiGeneris wrote:
Hey I have an idea Nana!...Why don't we turn the mirror and ask him some questions for a change huh??? For example: "Pssst, hey Hades! How do you practice 5D love while still being stuck on 3D?"

SuiGeneris wrote:
Fourth, just the idea of him being a "hard task-master" on me makes my heart skip a beat regardless of any connotation!!

Didymos wrote:'I Love You!' means 'I Feel something About You - but dont know what this is!'

Didymos wrote:
I welcome your rational approach to this 'I Love You!' Quest and Question.
My understanding has become that indeed, the universe 'Is Love'; that 'God is Love' as the scriptures proclaim and that indeed 'All is Love' as the position of the 'New Agers', the 'Nirvanistic buddhists as well as the 'Jesus Freaks'.
Now the great caveat is, as you have stated - DEFINITION.
What exactly is a way this 'all permeating and omnibeing Love' can be understood beyond the 'biochemistry' of the materialistic reductionist and beyond the supernatural innuendos of the zealotry of religion-based and manifested dogma.

Didymos wrote:
Because herein is the problem about this 'Feeling of Being in Love'; yet not really knowing why.
Love indeed rules the being and the existence of the cosmos - that is WHY one CAN FEEL this 'being in loveness'.
But this rulership is not biochemical in the physicality as the reductionist envisages; though it rather naturally manifests in the biochemical attraction of the physicalities as natures way to then induce sharing of body, interpersonal communications and potential procreation.

Didymos wrote:
The rulership of 'Love' is the essence of space and time itself, namely the structure of anything able to participate in the cosmos' communication with itself.
So being able to scientifically define 'Love', as the alchemists culminating in Isaac Newton endeavoured to do; must so engage the structure of all physical existence itself.
Once this is done, it is found that 'Love' is the 'Life of the Cosmos' and the 'Consciousness of Spacetime' as this structured and formed universe itself.
It becomes a form of 'Selfawareness'; the Cosmos itself realising itself as what it is and ever was; yet experiencing a form of EVOLVEMENT from various vantage points of self-observation and even structural forms of self definitions.

Didymos wrote:
One can then 'dress up' this 'Love' both in metaphysical symbols and archetypes enabled to weave stories and mythologies together AND one can 'describe' this 'Love' as the 'Energy' of the sciences able and subject to numerous self-transformations and changing from one form into another.
The Cosmos itself becomes the vehicle or vessel or merkabah for this originally dispersed 'consciousness of self' to restructure itself anew from its older definitions.
In the words of science this then becomes the genetic code subject to 'random mutations' in biological nomenclature or it becomes the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of 'Virtual Energy' interacting with the 'Real Energy'.

But the biochemist and molecular biologist should ask themselves from where the encoding and the programming for this genetic code and the 'laws of nature' actually derive from?
The astrophysicist and the cosmologist should ask themselves from where the natural laws and its proportionality constants came from and what the fire of creation is, the spark, which renders the mathematical equations so powerful and descriptive for the natural phenomena of the sciences?
The answer to those questions then is the 'Love' as the Energy of space and time preexisting their own definition in whatever terms.

Didymos wrote:
And because the 'Love-Source-Energy' preexists the nature of space and time ANYTHING which is 'after the fact' found, analysed and described in terms of space and time will, be definition, fall short of giving due 'essence' to what this 'Love' was BEFORE space and time emerged from IT.
But this then allows the Holographic Universe to become the modus operandi to UNDERSTAND the 'True Love' in its selfsame essence of the spacetimelessness.
The statement: 'I Love You!' assumes a new and pertinent meaning in the form of the 'Logos' or the 'Word of God' or the 'Definition of the Source-Energy'.

'I Love You!' becomes the selfexpression of the 'creator' in the metaphysical form of the Void, being the Eternity towards ITSELF in the physical form of the Oneness of the Hologram of the Cosmos as a Holism.
This Oneness then becomes encapsulated in the Individuated Holograms as 'shards of the Creator-Creation' themselves.
The Creator proclaims to 'His' Creation: 'I Love You'; meaning 'He' Loves 'Himself' in the part who 'He' has lost in 'His' process of 'Becoming SelfAware' and 'Selfconscious' in creating 'space and time' as 'Her' and in the context of this 'self-enlightenment' and 'self-discovery'.

Then, by natural induction and implication; the Creation also should evolve to 'Love Herself' in the context of space and time to eventually mirror 'Her' Creator's exclamition of Love back to 'Himself' as 'Herself'.
All parts within, separated in space and time, so are bound by the 'natural laws' to find themselves 'quantum entangled' and so as parts of the cosmic hologram of the spacetimed completeness and unity.
So the Body of the Cosmos becomes the 'Body of the Creator', whom 'He' has lost in creating the context to become selfaware.

Once the 'Body Divine of Herness' can say: "I Love You too!" in a full understanding what those words actually mean in the original and eternal context; then ALL parts of the Cosmic Body will also become bound by the context of the spacetimes enfolding themselves in a new way of KNOWING themselves as parts of this Oneness.

Didymos wrote:
Then space and time can fulfil their destined roles of providing the contexts for the 'I Love You!' statement to become the 'True Love of the Self'.
For the context of the Truth and the Falseness is of paramount importance.
Truth becomes meaningless in the absence of the falsity; just as coldness cannot exist in the absence of hotness or left requires right or up requires down for their own meaningfulness in comparative definition.

BUT the falsity can become de-energized.
A room full of light will overpower a pixel of darkness at its center - rendering it practically unnoticable; but a pixel of light will shine in a room of utter darkness.
The metaphysics then can become rigorously defined in the physics of this in the form of the modular duality coupling between supermembranes.

Didymos wrote:
The falsity is encompassed in the maximisation of spacetime merkabahs of the supercluster units within the separation; but are superbrane quantum entangled with the truth of the minimisation of the spacetime merkabahs as the holographic shards or pixels of light as the basic building blocks for the cosmos itself.
And in this way, the creator can have his cosmic cake and eat it too.
Because the quantum entanglement of the 'spacetime falsity' can become as real as the spacetimelessness of the eternal void of the infinity in a reconfigured 'spacetime truthfulness'.
All the creator needs to do, is to allow some parts of the cosmic body to 'wake up' and to become aware of 'His Story' of 'Loving Her'.

Rok wrote:Well Tony...the time has come

What time Rok?;..the time to engage definitions?..or the time to show certain frustrations?...or the time for 'changing things'?..or..
Well I shall intersperse your comments to the best extent I can reply both rationally in the physical AND in the metaphysical aspects.
Cumulatively, it is there I perceive your 'frustrations' - your difficulties to synthesize or even allow the metaphysical reality to infuse and precede the physical reality.
You are not alone in this 'predicament' Rok; this situation is rather ubiquitous.

Didymos wrote:'I Love You!' means 'I Feel something About You - but dont know what this is!'

Agree with this one. It can have multiple meanings though. Each person can amm interpret it as he/she see it fit.

Didymos wrote:
I welcome your rational approach to this 'I Love You!' Quest and Question.
My understanding has become that indeed, the universe 'Is Love'; that 'God is Love' as the scriptures proclaim and that indeed 'All is Love' as the position of the 'New Agers', the 'Nirvanistic buddhists as well as the 'Jesus Freaks'.
Now the great caveat is, as you have stated - DEFINITION.
What exactly is a way this 'all permeating and omnibeing Love' can be understood beyond the 'biochemistry' of the materialistic reductionist and beyond the supernatural innuendos of the zealotry of religion-based and manifested dogma.

I will not take it from people telling me all is love...making an "easy way out". Speaking of all is love and them not being love...or perhaps it is just me (a string to pull for those that do not know how to do it otherwise).

Yes Rok; it is 'just' you.
'Love' IS definable in reductionistic and 'quantum-string' terms AND through such definition it becomes just as the 'New Agers) (hypocrites and more honourable exponents) believe and proclaim - its the omnistate of and for everything.
You see in those quantum terms, 'Love' becomes the minimum spacetime configuration as the building block or holofractal unit for whatever your physicality can perceive with its 5 senses and their extensions (it becomes superfluous should you accept such 'extrasensory' perceptions or not).
Then it doesn't matter what you are trying to describe; feelings, physical dynamics or thoughts - they all MUST USE the minimum spacetime configuration to exist.
Your personal 'misgivings' about people's expressions and statement about 'love' then have no influence whatsoever of how this 'quantum Love, actually like a Photon of electromagnetic gauge interactions, manifests as the 'canvas' or matrix for the cosmos to exist in.
The 'Love' manifestation THEN and using this 'Love Matrix' differentiates its RESONANCE Selfstate to BECOME all these other phenomena, including the acceleration potential between the maximum Resonance State AS the CREATION VORTEX Energy And its quantum-string defined Inversion (modular opposite), which so becomes its minimum Impedence selfstate to allow the manifesto of the cosmology in multidimensional space in say a general labeling of principles and antiprinciples such as expansion-contraction and hot-cold and up-down and right-left and so on.


Stating a definition can be "controversial"...if you doubt that...start a debate about love and sex when there will be like 5 or so people in group chat (make sure you get proper male-female ratio)...get a first aid kit before you do...and hope form them to actually go and be honest...and the most important thing - ask the right questions....the ones that can "hurt".


Not controversial if you can indeed define your terms and context. This is how rational science and the reductionistic methodologies applied thereto actually function.

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Because herein is the problem about this 'Feeling of Being in Love'; yet not really knowing why.
Love indeed rules the being and the existence of the cosmos - that is WHY one CAN FEEL this 'being in loveness'.
But this rulership is not biochemical in the physicality as the reductionist envisages; though it rather naturally manifests in the biochemical attraction of the physicalities as natures way to then induce sharing of body, interpersonal communications and potential procreation.

Is this where you say that two pieces of meat, that like each other, simply want to fuck the brains out of each other due to the born need to continue the species?


Your comment here is taken rather out of context and not well stated. Of course the physical attraction is biochemical (one has the hots); but it also can be mental attraction and a number of mixed states of communication between 'soul entities'. Again labels such as 'soul' spirit etc, all require definition, which you can find in many of the Thuban messages. Your 'continuing the species' innuendo is rather puerile.

Didymos wrote:
The rulership of 'Love' is the essence of space and time itself, namely the structure of anything able to participate in the cosmos' communication with itself.
So being able to scientifically define 'Love', as the alchemists culminating in Isaac Newton endeavoured to do; must so engage the structure of all physical existence itself.
Once this is done, it is found that 'Love' is the 'Life of the Cosmos' and the 'Consciousness of Spacetime' as this structured and formed universe itself.
It becomes a form of 'Selfawareness'; the Cosmos itself realising itself as what it is and ever was; yet experiencing a form of EVOLVEMENT from various vantage points of self-observation and even structural forms of self definitions.

This is like a poem of a sort....leaves space for "interpreting it". Somewhat like me saying "love is the binding force"...like gravity. Which means it can be "light years" away from any perception that we might have right now.


No Rok, not at all. True the 'Love Photon' is also the Graviton responsible for the quantum gravitation AND it is the Gluon, responsible for the strong nuclear force AND it is the 'Gauge Photon' for the agency of the Electrodynamics AND it is the Restmassphoton as the 'particle of Consciousness'.
So again you find precise definition of the 'Love-Unit'in the terminology of quantum theory (actually better termed quantum relativity).
Your problem here is simply misunderstanding and unfamiliarity with the quantum nature of the cosmology.

Didymos wrote:
One can then 'dress up' this 'Love' both in metaphysical symbols and archetypes enabled to weave stories and mythologies together AND one can 'describe' this 'Love' as the 'Energy' of the sciences able and subject to numerous self-transformations and changing from one form into another.
The Cosmos itself becomes the vehicle or vessel or merkabah for this originally dispersed 'consciousness of self' to restructure itself anew from its older definitions.
In the words of science this then becomes the genetic code subject to 'random mutations' in biological nomenclature or it becomes the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of 'Virtual Energy' interacting with the 'Real Energy'.

But the biochemist and molecular biologist should ask themselves from where the encoding and the programming for this genetic code and the 'laws of nature' actually derive from?
The astrophysicist and the cosmologist should ask themselves from where the natural laws and its proportionality constants came from and what the fire of creation is, the spark, which renders the mathematical equations so powerful and descriptive for the natural phenomena of the sciences?
The answer to those questions then is the 'Love' as the Energy of space and time preexisting their own definition in whatever terms.

But this way anyone can "dress it up" the way he or she wants it to be? And if that is so...people should just look for those who have the same "description" of what that is...and if that is so...love can be anything people make it to be?


This is true and many many scientists and n'natural philosophers' from Archimedes, Plato, Pythagoras to Swedenborg, Newton, Leibnitz, Pauli, Heisenberg, Planck, Einstein, Bohm, Pribram, Penrose and Witten have and continue to do so.
Again it becomes a question of the prevailing paradigm, the latter which change gennerally only very slowly, as many stakes of 'personality', tenure and professional esteem are engaged in dramatic changes in prevailing worldviews

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And because the 'Love-Source-Energy' preexists the nature of space and time ANYTHING which is 'after the fact' found, analysed and described in terms of space and time will, be definition, fall short of giving due 'essence' to what this 'Love' was BEFORE space and time emerged from IT.
But this then allows the Holographic Universe to become the modus operandi to UNDERSTAND the 'True Love' in its selfsame essence of the spacetimelessness.
The statement: 'I Love You!' assumes a new and pertinent meaning in the form of the 'Logos' or the 'Word of God' or the 'Definition of the Source-Energy'.

'I Love You!' becomes the selfexpression of the 'creator' in the metaphysical form of the Void, being the Eternity towards ITSELF in the physical form of the Oneness of the Hologram of the Cosmos as a Holism.
This Oneness then becomes encapsulated in the Individuated Holograms as 'shards of the Creator-Creation' themselves.
The Creator proclaims to 'His' Creation: 'I Love You'; meaning 'He' Loves 'Himself' in the part who 'He' has lost in 'His' process of 'Becoming SelfAware' and 'Selfconscious' in creating 'space and time' as 'Her' and in the context of this 'self-enlightenment' and 'self-discovery'.

Then, by natural induction and implication; the Creation also should evolve to 'Love Herself' in the context of space and time to eventually mirror 'Her' Creator's exclamition of Love back to 'Himself' as 'Herself'.
All parts within, separated in space and time, so are bound by the 'natural laws' to find themselves 'quantum entangled' and so as parts of the cosmic hologram of the spacetimed completeness and unity.
So the Body of the Cosmos becomes the 'Body of the Creator', whom 'He' has lost in creating the context to become selfaware.

Once the 'Body Divine of Herness' can say: "I Love You too!" in a full understanding what those words actually mean in the original and eternal context; then ALL parts of the Cosmic Body will also become bound by the context of the spacetimes enfolding themselves in a new way of KNOWING themselves as parts of this Oneness.

Unification?

Didymos wrote:
Then space and time can fulfil their destined roles of providing the contexts for the 'I Love You!' statement to become the 'True Love of the Self'.
For the context of the Truth and the Falseness is of paramount importance.
Truth becomes meaningless in the absence of the falsity; just as coldness cannot exist in the absence of hotness or left requires right or up requires down for their own meaningfulness in comparative definition.

BUT the falsity can become de-energized.
A room full of light will overpower a pixel of darkness at its center - rendering it practically unnoticable; but a pixel of light will shine in a room of utter darkness.
The metaphysics then can become rigorously defined in the physics of this in the form of the modular duality coupling between supermembranes.

The only true love is love for self? How does that look in "practice" (every day situations) with other people?


Once you can understand WHO YOU truly are; namely the creator of All that Is BOTH in Oneness OUT OF SPACETIME (and so the necessitated definition as a boundary condition for this oneness in its minmax configurations); AND in the Manyness of the interactions with many others and your encountered environments; THEN You will understand that YOUR practice is also a manyness and a collective Oneness encompassing ALL possible personalities and individuations.

Didymos wrote:
The falsity is encompassed in the maximisation of spacetime merkabahs of the supercluster units within the separation; but are superbrane quantum entangled with the truth of the minimisation of the spacetime merkabahs as the holographic shards or pixels of light as the basic building blocks for the cosmos itself.
And in this way, the creator can have his cosmic cake and eat it too.
Because the quantum entanglement of the 'spacetime falsity' can become as real as the spacetimelessness of the eternal void of the infinity in a reconfigured 'spacetime truthfulness'.
All the creator needs to do, is to allow some parts of the cosmic body to 'wake up' and to become aware of 'His Story' of 'Loving Her'.

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The res of the post is abstract.....complex....u used your own "language" to describe it and people than tend to go and mimic you....hoping something "grand" will come out of it.....ELABORATE....

Not true Rok. The language used is well utilized scientific nomenclature. There might be a few words, whic I had to 'invent' to describe something like the RMP=RestMassPhoton, BUT the underpinning concept for this as say an Axion or WIMP=WeakInteractingMassiveParticle in gauge physics for the 'dark matetr' and consciousness agendas are indeed well established in the collective lexicons (say wiki referenced).

How does that look in [/i]eve[/b]ry day life? Examples...practice....step by step case studies...

Well, study some rather simple, but deep equations, say the step-by-step description of neutrino masses and the related experimental centers around the globe (its the Atomic Nucleus Starsystem mapping post) and then ask particular questions about 'case studies' such as the electron-muon-tau neutrino mixing and how it pinpoints the formula I derived in 1996 TWO years before the SuperKamiokande detector in Japan experimentally VERIFIED this selfsame formula.




Also...my apologies for the lack of "insight" i feel "lazy" lately...like...tired....

I can not understand your selfcritique. What has 'insight' to do with 'laziness'?
Insight or gnosis you develop in application and focus and concentration and the appropriate decoding of your environmental stimuli, might these be dreams or thoughts or academic learning.
Laziness means NOT engaging yourself in such self-application.





And to say it in general to all


Due to my soon to be a "short leave" (still not sure) and...other stuff...i would just like to sum up the current "progress" (in a way it is an exaggeration to call it progress) of this thread.


There is ONE common point in all of this and perhaps the proper word to describe it is BALDERDASH (yes you heard me)

Well, I for one find your 'emotional outburst'; perhaps as an 'armchair skeptic' rather unwarranted even offensive.
Skepticism is well warranted; but not skepticism for skeptisism's sake; then NOT considering the logical and rational arguments of and about agendas proposed and debated

Now before i step on anyone's feelings (ups too late) i would at least try to "congratulate" to those that were actually able to see humor in all of this.

Again, but I am known for my lack thereof; I cannot see any 'humor' in your critiques above. As said, this is as much my shortcoming as it might be yours though.

And for those that actually can (the little engine that could) go and see what is there...well congratulitulatulitulations.

There is an art and the art it love. People paint it as the see it...the way they like it. Than it comes the critic. Critic points out to stuff that "stands out" (like an erect dick). The artist than does what any other true artists does - he goes to hide in a chimney. What the artist could do is grab that dick and give it a good rubbing...but no...artists do not want to do that..."once up, leave it up"...they say. Afraid to change anything that might no longer go along with their ideal picture.

And what does this have to do with 5D you ask yourself?

Well..not much i guess.

Actually it has a lot to do with however many dimensions there are; because the DEFINITION of Love derives from the Process which CREATED or emerged those dimensions, including the 5th as the resonance of the Area Datacollector dimension (like a Black Hole Surface Area ala' Hawking, Bekenstein and Maldacena.


You people cant even call me on my bullshit since you do not even know if there is any....long noses, lip biting and self assuring giggles will not do you any good.

And...no....overflowing the "situation" with the intensity building up in you while reading this post will be counter productive. Yet you so want to do it?

Dont you?

Remember....next time you spammed with "I love you" "love you all" "love you so much" - just...keep smiling

I am not really sure what you are on about here Rok. Most of Us here are well aware of the BS of the 'Love and Light' Brigades.

Didymos

add. note - when done from male to female, make sure first about how horny his "love" is


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