Letter from a Thuban Insider...Testimonial
A hidden or lost thread from the Old Camelot Forum
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=34712&Itemid=164
And about the present status of the 'New Camelot' Forum
http://projectcamelotportal.com/forum/welcome-mat/766-is-camelot-dying
#34712 April 4th, 2011
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers, on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
“I understand what you are saying to a certain extent here friend, but in this case the problem is solved just by using the Thuban forum(s) that were dedicated to this material and it's followers.”
“As for this forum the Thuban material was simply not compatible with the majority of members, and it is after all not related to Camelot in any way. I again encourage the thuban members to share the link for their forum so you can continue to divulge into it at the appropriate venue.”
There is no such thing as a “Thuban follower” since there is no Thuban elite or any one person to follow…and even more so, if we were to be followers, we couldn’t call ourselves Dragons.
The easy way out is rarely the right solution Tommy…and more so in this case. By not allowing Thuban to be discussed here, you are unduly censoring and blaming the material itself for the negative actions displayed by a handful of very rude and bully-like individuals who get to decide what is “appropriate” to discuss here or not. This became your filter. Only your elitist few get to decide what all readers here get exposed to, members and lurkers alike.
You claim:
“The majority speaks, and they have spoken.”
“The majority” have spoken? You can’t prove it with numbers out in the open. You said you were bombarded with e-mails? I bet at least most of them were from the same people who instigated against us in the first place, and I bet not one showed any clear logic but were full of fear and more in line with childish and obnoxious rants like this one from DD:
Still, if you agree with this, and it is also Kerry’s official stance, it’s perfectly ok at least by me; just don’t be claiming out there that Project Camelot is a venue for finding out the truth and exposing the truth…because at your very core you are doing the exact opposite.
Kerry said when recently interviewed by Mel Fabregas: “One of our vows at PC was to build bridges between people and not to be one of those groups that badmouths other groups.”
“The ultimate mission is to get the truth out to the people. That’s never changed.”
Well, truth is not “relative” as you think. Only opinions are relative to each one’s perspective. There is only one absolute truth in the Universe, and there are many ways to get to that one truth. You dare say the Thuban material has nothing to do with Project Camelot, that it is not “compatible”; well…you couldn’t be more wrong.
“The forum has never seen as much drama as it has done with the continuing of the thuban material posts. This has also acted like a large distraction from our Camelot oriented topics and discussions.”
What is a “Camelot oriented” topic and discussion? Is it not about everything that is happening now in our world? The Thuban perspective on Exopolitics, The powers that be, AI, Government Secrecy and Extraterrestrial intervention for instance, is not only a very valid one, but we can prove each and every one of our assertions with solid science. Now, why is this not wanted to be even considered as another way to get to the truth right here in this platform? Why would it not be appropriate to allow it to be openly discussed here…of all places? It is not a “distraction” as you say. That is a decoy word used to deviate focus and interest away from the topic. Sure, we could “go away” to our own forums as you wish but that is like saying to David Wilcock, David Icke, Miriam Delicado, George Green or Steven Greer...“Go back and discuss your material in your own forums…your ‘stuff’ doesn’t belong here!” Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Their “stuff” (personal philosophies, points of view, metaphysical assertions, statistics, predictions, scientific analysis, etc.) is allowed to be openly discussed here at this Camelot forum…why would the Thuban material be any different? Just because a few choose to disagree? Even if ALL were to disagree, it would still not be a valid reason given what Kerry had said about the “ultimate mission” of Camelot. You are either a true outlet for disclosure (and that means full disclosure that encompasses everything) or not. Anywhere in the middle equals implementing the same agenda the Mainstream Media works on the masses… they edit out information and censor what they don’t like. And then you expect donations to flow to support a cause like this?
And now that we are in the topic of money, let me make one thing clear. Unlike many of the people Camelot interviews, we Thubans do not charge one penny for our information. Many of us have worked for decades…endless hours and continue to do so in order to learn what we know, and we only wish to share it freely. We do not adhere to the philosophy that people should be charged for information. We do not even accept donations of any kind.
Kerry always said Project Camelot was a tool to help get the truth out. She has often disassociated herself from the people she’s interviewed and, at least so far, if I’m not mistaken, she has never favored one testimony over another either. They all have value and each listener can make up their own minds. That is appropriate, for otherwise her personal opinions would get in the way of objective journalism, and the outcome will be that no one will take her seriously.
But apparently you don’t see this. Even though you claim otherwise, it is clear that it is your personal opinion as well what has brought you to make this final decision of not allowing anyone here to even touch the subject on content… and now you know what the outcome of that will be. We all need to bear the consequences of our own actions.
"There is no conspiracy here, you were given a fair shot but it did not work out forum-wise."
No, we weren’t; because due to the spam and troll responses we’ve gotten in our threads, it prevented us to even begin to go deeper into what was really important, the heart of the material…and this cyber bullying was not only condoned but practiced by Mods themselves. Nothing was done about this back then, and this lack of initial action on the abusers is what caused the hostility towards us to escalate and get out of control. It wasn’t even necessary for us to open more than one thread, but our initial one was trashed and deviated out of topic by hate speech and innuendos. However, If what you mean with “forum-wise” is that we did not blend in with the “popular crowd” as far as showcasing individual personas and conducting meaningless chit-chat about alcohol and such things… you’re right, something like that fits better on a chat interface than on a forum for supposedly truth seekers.
“What do we block from viewers that they could not find before? Oh, right.. Nothing."
It is your own personal opinion that the Thuban material is nothing, so in your view you are blocking “nothing.” It’s sad to see you have to excuse yourself to make yourself feel better for your wrong decisions.
“If you talk to the spirits they should be able to explain I suppose. Seriously. Fyi: How often have you seen me pretend to know things? Not instigating a discussion here, but ponder it if you will..”
“after some review I found a lot of the material to be either incomplete or having the wrong equations.”
This is what you do at a forum. You discuss things. Well… at least until the subject gets banned. Why do you imply that Tony talks to Spirits? or that he pretends to know what he knows? I can understand if the material seemed incomplete to you for as I explained earlier, we were not given the chance to go deep into it, but…. having wrong equations? You dare say that and then tell us you don’t have the time to discuss it? How could you say anything at all about the Thuban material if you don’t even know what it is? Tony is a Mathematical Physicist, and your accusation is not only outrageous and unwarranted, but sadly to say…expected, since there is a group mentality here among the most active posters and if one says it everyone else blindly believes it to be true, no matter how absurd the claim is. Your ludicrous statement reminds me of this:
Not to mention that the “too many notes” stupidity equates to the haters’ protest of “TLTR” (Too long to read). We Thubans are very well aware that the material we present might be considered by some to be not only quite new but exuberant and even pretentious, and we are also aware that for others it may present a problem of “data overflow.” As with any innovative material, critique like this is expected, but, we as pioneers are not about to accommodate the information to each person’s demands. Our moral obligation is only to present it. It will be understood and absorbed in however manner only by those who are meant to and approach it with an open heart/mind. More importantly, we are not responsible for the opinions and negative feedback some may have over it. You don’t change an opera just because some find it boring and prefer American Idol over it.
All these untruths that have been thrown at us Thubans here on this forum are outrageous, malicious and purposefully geared at misleading people about who we are and what we’re about.
It is really important that I make clear to you and Kerry that these sorts of untruths could not fly and that I take issue with them…and so, for the record I am making it known publicly.
Please understand that it is ok if you personally don’t want to know, but you don’t have the right to decide what is important for others. This attitude and stance, is what we term “old world thinking”, and belongs to the establishment the collective consciousness of Earth is rejecting and eradicating at this time. This outrage is visible everywhere and it is this what has triggered many whistleblowers to come forth and share their stories in hopes to open the eyes of the many. This totalitarian way of thinking is elitist, dogmatic, unenlightened and unjust. If you decide to cling to it, by your very own hand will you be sealing the fate of PC for anything that supports the old system… is already doomed.
"You (thubans) have to realize that from an administration perspective we take notice to the fact that we had almost no problems at all on this forum before thuban made it's entrance."
Yes…the infamous status quo. We Thubans, keepers of the flame, often disturb the undisturbed.
Not because it is our intention, but simply due to the very nature of the material itself. Those sleepy ones who first come in contact with ideas that are new and controversial, ideas they may regard as “strange”, will become “disturbed” in the beginning, but that is a natural reaction when you become aware of things you were not aware of before. In this context, I can say very many of the interviews Kerry has done so far could be categorized as “disturbing” and although it may be an unpleasant feeling at first, it is unavoidable but nevertheless in the end this “disruption” serves a greater purpose.
Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" The Gospel of Thomas
“I don't understand why you were persistent in continuing on this forum if people are as "nasty" as you often claim.”
“There are actions being taken towards the "Thuban fallout" on this forum as we speak.”
“Why do you persist?” … sounds like the question Agent Smith asked Neo on their final battle. The answer: For principle. Banning Arachne and Phoenix was what made me speak up initially, banning the content is what makes me speak up now and at least to me; it is much worse than banning a Thuban. Not all people are “nasty” here as you alleged we said, but a few can indeed be categorized as such, and this is not a “claim”…it is a fact, and we have the incontestable proof. Let it be known that you have decided to silence us…and in the process, you have clearly marked the path Camelot will take. You see, adapting a name doesn’t automatically mean you are it. You need to become “it”, and this project is not living up to its name. You are a false Camelot. You have failed.
This is not a “Thuban fallout” as you called it…far from it. This is a Camelot fallout by default. Because it is by your very own actions and inactions that you are bringing it about yourself when failing to act appropriately and in a timely manner, and when failing to adhere to the principles of what the REAL Camelot represents…Truth, Transparency and most of all…COURAGE.
In the Vesica,
Xeia Kali SuiGeneris,
Waterflyer & Thuban DragonQueen of the Realms
Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
"Because of a great love, one is courageous" Lao Tzu
A hidden or lost thread from the Old Camelot Forum
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=34712&Itemid=164
And about the present status of the 'New Camelot' Forum
http://projectcamelotportal.com/forum/welcome-mat/766-is-camelot-dying
#34712 April 4th, 2011
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers, on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
“I understand what you are saying to a certain extent here friend, but in this case the problem is solved just by using the Thuban forum(s) that were dedicated to this material and it's followers.”
“As for this forum the Thuban material was simply not compatible with the majority of members, and it is after all not related to Camelot in any way. I again encourage the thuban members to share the link for their forum so you can continue to divulge into it at the appropriate venue.”
There is no such thing as a “Thuban follower” since there is no Thuban elite or any one person to follow…and even more so, if we were to be followers, we couldn’t call ourselves Dragons.
The easy way out is rarely the right solution Tommy…and more so in this case. By not allowing Thuban to be discussed here, you are unduly censoring and blaming the material itself for the negative actions displayed by a handful of very rude and bully-like individuals who get to decide what is “appropriate” to discuss here or not. This became your filter. Only your elitist few get to decide what all readers here get exposed to, members and lurkers alike.
You claim:
“The majority speaks, and they have spoken.”
“The majority” have spoken? You can’t prove it with numbers out in the open. You said you were bombarded with e-mails? I bet at least most of them were from the same people who instigated against us in the first place, and I bet not one showed any clear logic but were full of fear and more in line with childish and obnoxious rants like this one from DD:
You see, no one is forcing him/+her to read what he judges as undesirable. Interesting how one of them proclaimed they were a group of “enlightened” people. Every time they open their mouths to ridicule and slander, they ridicule themselves even further due to the hate they carry inside. Anyone with even little understanding but a true heart can very easily see and feel how “enlightened” they are indeed and how much this attitude “benefits” the community. This is your speck “majority” Tommy. Don’t think us naïve. There is simply no way for you to know the true sentiments of the majority of registered members here. For people with power, trying to sound democratic doesn’t always cut it, people are not blind… and actions do speak louder than words.
DD: “Why not just delete those crazy posts... I don't want to see them again!!!!!!!””
Still, if you agree with this, and it is also Kerry’s official stance, it’s perfectly ok at least by me; just don’t be claiming out there that Project Camelot is a venue for finding out the truth and exposing the truth…because at your very core you are doing the exact opposite.
Kerry said when recently interviewed by Mel Fabregas: “One of our vows at PC was to build bridges between people and not to be one of those groups that badmouths other groups.”
“The ultimate mission is to get the truth out to the people. That’s never changed.”
Well, truth is not “relative” as you think. Only opinions are relative to each one’s perspective. There is only one absolute truth in the Universe, and there are many ways to get to that one truth. You dare say the Thuban material has nothing to do with Project Camelot, that it is not “compatible”; well…you couldn’t be more wrong.
“The forum has never seen as much drama as it has done with the continuing of the thuban material posts. This has also acted like a large distraction from our Camelot oriented topics and discussions.”
What is a “Camelot oriented” topic and discussion? Is it not about everything that is happening now in our world? The Thuban perspective on Exopolitics, The powers that be, AI, Government Secrecy and Extraterrestrial intervention for instance, is not only a very valid one, but we can prove each and every one of our assertions with solid science. Now, why is this not wanted to be even considered as another way to get to the truth right here in this platform? Why would it not be appropriate to allow it to be openly discussed here…of all places? It is not a “distraction” as you say. That is a decoy word used to deviate focus and interest away from the topic. Sure, we could “go away” to our own forums as you wish but that is like saying to David Wilcock, David Icke, Miriam Delicado, George Green or Steven Greer...“Go back and discuss your material in your own forums…your ‘stuff’ doesn’t belong here!” Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Their “stuff” (personal philosophies, points of view, metaphysical assertions, statistics, predictions, scientific analysis, etc.) is allowed to be openly discussed here at this Camelot forum…why would the Thuban material be any different? Just because a few choose to disagree? Even if ALL were to disagree, it would still not be a valid reason given what Kerry had said about the “ultimate mission” of Camelot. You are either a true outlet for disclosure (and that means full disclosure that encompasses everything) or not. Anywhere in the middle equals implementing the same agenda the Mainstream Media works on the masses… they edit out information and censor what they don’t like. And then you expect donations to flow to support a cause like this?
And now that we are in the topic of money, let me make one thing clear. Unlike many of the people Camelot interviews, we Thubans do not charge one penny for our information. Many of us have worked for decades…endless hours and continue to do so in order to learn what we know, and we only wish to share it freely. We do not adhere to the philosophy that people should be charged for information. We do not even accept donations of any kind.
Kerry always said Project Camelot was a tool to help get the truth out. She has often disassociated herself from the people she’s interviewed and, at least so far, if I’m not mistaken, she has never favored one testimony over another either. They all have value and each listener can make up their own minds. That is appropriate, for otherwise her personal opinions would get in the way of objective journalism, and the outcome will be that no one will take her seriously.
But apparently you don’t see this. Even though you claim otherwise, it is clear that it is your personal opinion as well what has brought you to make this final decision of not allowing anyone here to even touch the subject on content… and now you know what the outcome of that will be. We all need to bear the consequences of our own actions.
"There is no conspiracy here, you were given a fair shot but it did not work out forum-wise."
No, we weren’t; because due to the spam and troll responses we’ve gotten in our threads, it prevented us to even begin to go deeper into what was really important, the heart of the material…and this cyber bullying was not only condoned but practiced by Mods themselves. Nothing was done about this back then, and this lack of initial action on the abusers is what caused the hostility towards us to escalate and get out of control. It wasn’t even necessary for us to open more than one thread, but our initial one was trashed and deviated out of topic by hate speech and innuendos. However, If what you mean with “forum-wise” is that we did not blend in with the “popular crowd” as far as showcasing individual personas and conducting meaningless chit-chat about alcohol and such things… you’re right, something like that fits better on a chat interface than on a forum for supposedly truth seekers.
“What do we block from viewers that they could not find before? Oh, right.. Nothing."
It is your own personal opinion that the Thuban material is nothing, so in your view you are blocking “nothing.” It’s sad to see you have to excuse yourself to make yourself feel better for your wrong decisions.
“If you talk to the spirits they should be able to explain I suppose. Seriously. Fyi: How often have you seen me pretend to know things? Not instigating a discussion here, but ponder it if you will..”
“after some review I found a lot of the material to be either incomplete or having the wrong equations.”
This is what you do at a forum. You discuss things. Well… at least until the subject gets banned. Why do you imply that Tony talks to Spirits? or that he pretends to know what he knows? I can understand if the material seemed incomplete to you for as I explained earlier, we were not given the chance to go deep into it, but…. having wrong equations? You dare say that and then tell us you don’t have the time to discuss it? How could you say anything at all about the Thuban material if you don’t even know what it is? Tony is a Mathematical Physicist, and your accusation is not only outrageous and unwarranted, but sadly to say…expected, since there is a group mentality here among the most active posters and if one says it everyone else blindly believes it to be true, no matter how absurd the claim is. Your ludicrous statement reminds me of this:
Not to mention that the “too many notes” stupidity equates to the haters’ protest of “TLTR” (Too long to read). We Thubans are very well aware that the material we present might be considered by some to be not only quite new but exuberant and even pretentious, and we are also aware that for others it may present a problem of “data overflow.” As with any innovative material, critique like this is expected, but, we as pioneers are not about to accommodate the information to each person’s demands. Our moral obligation is only to present it. It will be understood and absorbed in however manner only by those who are meant to and approach it with an open heart/mind. More importantly, we are not responsible for the opinions and negative feedback some may have over it. You don’t change an opera just because some find it boring and prefer American Idol over it.
All these untruths that have been thrown at us Thubans here on this forum are outrageous, malicious and purposefully geared at misleading people about who we are and what we’re about.
It is really important that I make clear to you and Kerry that these sorts of untruths could not fly and that I take issue with them…and so, for the record I am making it known publicly.
Please understand that it is ok if you personally don’t want to know, but you don’t have the right to decide what is important for others. This attitude and stance, is what we term “old world thinking”, and belongs to the establishment the collective consciousness of Earth is rejecting and eradicating at this time. This outrage is visible everywhere and it is this what has triggered many whistleblowers to come forth and share their stories in hopes to open the eyes of the many. This totalitarian way of thinking is elitist, dogmatic, unenlightened and unjust. If you decide to cling to it, by your very own hand will you be sealing the fate of PC for anything that supports the old system… is already doomed.
"You (thubans) have to realize that from an administration perspective we take notice to the fact that we had almost no problems at all on this forum before thuban made it's entrance."
Yes…the infamous status quo. We Thubans, keepers of the flame, often disturb the undisturbed.
Not because it is our intention, but simply due to the very nature of the material itself. Those sleepy ones who first come in contact with ideas that are new and controversial, ideas they may regard as “strange”, will become “disturbed” in the beginning, but that is a natural reaction when you become aware of things you were not aware of before. In this context, I can say very many of the interviews Kerry has done so far could be categorized as “disturbing” and although it may be an unpleasant feeling at first, it is unavoidable but nevertheless in the end this “disruption” serves a greater purpose.
Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" The Gospel of Thomas
“I don't understand why you were persistent in continuing on this forum if people are as "nasty" as you often claim.”
“There are actions being taken towards the "Thuban fallout" on this forum as we speak.”
“Why do you persist?” … sounds like the question Agent Smith asked Neo on their final battle. The answer: For principle. Banning Arachne and Phoenix was what made me speak up initially, banning the content is what makes me speak up now and at least to me; it is much worse than banning a Thuban. Not all people are “nasty” here as you alleged we said, but a few can indeed be categorized as such, and this is not a “claim”…it is a fact, and we have the incontestable proof. Let it be known that you have decided to silence us…and in the process, you have clearly marked the path Camelot will take. You see, adapting a name doesn’t automatically mean you are it. You need to become “it”, and this project is not living up to its name. You are a false Camelot. You have failed.
This is not a “Thuban fallout” as you called it…far from it. This is a Camelot fallout by default. Because it is by your very own actions and inactions that you are bringing it about yourself when failing to act appropriately and in a timely manner, and when failing to adhere to the principles of what the REAL Camelot represents…Truth, Transparency and most of all…COURAGE.
In the Vesica,
Xeia Kali SuiGeneris,
Waterflyer & Thuban DragonQueen of the Realms
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"Because of a great love, one is courageous" Lao Tzu
#34721 April 4th, 2011
Phoenix wrote:
“Why do you persist?” … sounds like the question Agent Smith asked Neo on their final battle.
The answer: For principle.
Phoenix
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#34758 April 5th, 2011
Chucky wrote:
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato
#34770 April 5th, 2011
thomas wrote:
More of the old.. Again..
I don't have time to do a long reply right now, but I will mark some simple points.
1. It was not about the material, it was about the people.
2. You were given (by Kerry) the right to post in the two initial threads. This was not followed
3. Ask Tony how many ways you can calculate an equation, and if theoretic physics is a final equation. My stance should not affect other peoples judgement anyways.
4. You do not know me and will probably never do. You also do not know how I come to the conclusions I do. Your statement is based on assumptions.
5. Drama: You have always attracted drama, and it appears in my perspective that you use every chance you have to instigate more of it - at several venues - past and present
6. This site is indeed about the exposure of truth, but Project Camelot's focus areas are about Whistle blower testimony.
7. You are not suppressed, you have the entire internet to share your material on, including your own forums.
8. As an administrator I question your intentions. That does not mean this decision was based on just that question. I have had a similar impression for a while, but since I can NOT base my decisions only on my personal feeling I have instead allowed you to continue. I will openly admit that I have been evaluation how you handle situations since the day you all got re-instated, and that also goes for how you handle the admin decisions.
9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!
10. There are books in methodology that has predicted 90% of all your actions from A-Z. Why?
Thats it for now. But Sui, the sad part is that you only re-confirm my decision doing this.
You should know there is always a door open for diplomacy and talk, but so far you have not played it that way. I have also come across some "hidden" activities, one is the disclaimer promise that you failed to uphold.
I stand by my decision. You all lead me to it.
And if you read all of the posts you copied from here you should see I did not say that "thubans" exclusively was the problem, but you were the biggest problem.
Now stop pretending CF is the only place in the world worth while to you.
If people here find your material interesting they should surely increase your user activity at your forums right? Then you don't event have to worry about nasty comments at all, more time for your material instead.
This is all I have time for right now..
All the best,
Tommy
Website Administrator,
Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior
#34773 April 5th, 2011
Chucky wrote:
Chakra wrote:
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
"Report Sender: Raven
Report Reason: OFF TOPIC
Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."
lol
Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.
and since you like biblical quotes
Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato
#34775 April 5th, 2011
MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
Chakra wrote:
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
"Report Sender: Raven
Report Reason: OFF TOPIC
Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."
lol
Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.
and since you like biblical quotes
Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.
At least I did not call people I don't know whores.
I was just talking about that inner child... I see Heaven everyday. So Judge not Chakra.
"If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle
#34776 April 5th, 2011
Raven wrote:
Chakra wrote:
SuiGeneris wrote:
Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,
There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.
"Report Sender: Raven
Report Reason: OFF TOPIC
Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."
lol
Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.
and since you like biblical quotes
Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.
Again your level of discernment is astounding Chucky. Jesus does not mean to 'gloat', troll, rub in the face, bicker and throw a tantrum like a child. He means that children do not hold people and things in judgement, they are rather unconditional and open with everything, Love being the greatest of these. Children's minds are innocent and pure, unlike some grown adults around here for example, tossing insults and innuendos if given the slightest chance. But go ahead and pat yourself on the back for thinking you have been given some kind of great gnosis concerning scripture.
Setting quite the example as a moderator I might add...
Raven
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#34779 April 5th, 2011
Pal wrote:
Can we have an 'Ignore Thread' button please?
#34780 April 5th, 2011
smurfette wrote:
Raven,
YOU are Chucky.
Your rudeness when reporting a post is beyond belief. You want something intelligent? But you have been speaking with lies and incoherence since you started! How can anyone respond intelligently to your gibberish? You quote reams and reams of bible at us in the hope we will be awed by your superior copy and paste skills? how many times before have you already used that text?
Aren't you bored of it?
I am.I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.
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Post last edited Apr 8th 2011
#34781 April 5th, 2011
thomas wrote:
Paul wrote:
Can we have an 'Ignore Thread' button please?
Working on it
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#334782 April 5th, 2011
MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
They just cannot resist the temptation to intentionally NOT type my entire name properly with intent to be insulting. How lame. Took me at least two weeks and being threatened with black magick and called whore by complete strangers to finally sink to the level of mis typing a name only to point out how childish it is.
The gatekeepers here are so much fun.
"If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle
#34785 April 5th, 2011
Lighter wrote:
Dedicated to maryWhatshername and Raven
Tiresome
Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey
#34786 April 5th, 2011
Raven wrote:
tommy wrote:
More of the old.. Again..
I don't have time to do a long reply right now, but I will mark some simple points.
1. It was not about the material, it was about the people.
Can you be more specific here? So you are going to slander us as well as the rest of these children in your Sandalot Pit ?
2. You were given (by Kerry) the right to post in the two initial threads. This was not followed
WHAT?? Show us exactly where you said this, specifically that we were only allowed to stay in 2 threads. We came back under the impression that we would have the same rights as ALL other members posting here, not some limited set of rules you devised on our behalf.
3. Ask Tony how many ways you can calculate an equation, and if theoretic physics is a final equation. My stance should not affect other peoples judgement anyways.
Don't even go there Tommy, you are way out of your league here on the science part and because of this, YES your judgement here is not befitting you to even reply. Tony has been discussing his Math on many physics forums for over 20 years now and not once has any of them ever questioned his Math, EVER. So don't bring your little pin head into the equation.
4. You do not know me and will probably never do. You also do not know how I come to the conclusions I do. Your statement is based on assumptions.
Indeed, assumptions are like ar$eholes, everyone has one and to jump to conclusions makes an ass out of you and me. So fair enough we do not know you Tommy, but what we do know is that you have seemingly allowed and condoned reprehensible behavior toward us and others not associated with us on this forum.
5. Drama: You have always attracted drama, and it appears in my perspective that you use every chance you have to instigate more of it - at several venues - past and present
Call it whatever you like Tommy, but the fact is the 'DRAMA' was and has been instigated by your own moderation team and their following of groupies from the beginning, so if you want to point fingers then i suggest you start there. Saying that this letter is another example of Sui's drama is out of line, she has the right as an individual to stand up and defend, state, provide evidence to everything you have said in the contrary towards and about us Thubans. And so now your seeing our other side, HONESTLY what did you expect, that we would go crawling back in silence and just forget about the CRAP you have allowed to happen to us and others on this forum? That we would not care to give a voice to those too afraid of being banned, silenced, shut up, kicked out, to speak up and defend them and us in honor and integrity against your malicious onslaught?
6. This site is indeed about the exposure of truth, but Project Camelot's focus areas are about Whistle blower testimony.
BULLSHIT!!!! Some of the witnesses Kerry and Bill have interviewed have been nothing but bullshit artists from the get go. Don't believe me, start a poll and ask, oh wait, never mind because only about 7-8 of your members will respond and they will favor Kerry and Bill in their usual style of kiss ass suck-up behavior. As is evidenced on many other forums including AV2, there are many individuals who have said and would say again that quite a lot of the witnesses were full of it, no need to mention names, quacks abound in these times....
7. You are not suppressed, you have the entire internet to share your material on, including your own forums
BULLSHIT!!! Try to cover it up, hide it in the deepest hidden recesses of Sandalot, but the fact remains that this is censorship at its finest. In the words of a good friend JT, WHO THE HELL DO YOU WORK FOR??
8. As an administrator I question your intentions. That does not mean this decision was based on just that question. I have had a similar impression for a while, but since I can NOT base my decisions only on my personal feeling I have instead allowed you to continue. I will openly admit that I have been evaluation how you handle situations since the day you all got re-instated, and that also goes for how you handle the admin decisions.
PLEASE stop blowing smoke up our ar$es on this, you have done nothing of the sort. You have been listening to your little groupies whisper pure BS in your ear since we came back. Go back to hiding behind Chucky's skirt then, for hell sake. And no, we are not buying this at all, we were NEVER given a fair chance, not in hell.
9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!
Done!!
10. There are books in methodology that has predicted 90% of all your actions from A-Z. Why?
Thats it for now. But Sui, the sad part is that you only re-confirm my decision doing this.
You should know there is always a door open for diplomacy and talk, but so far you have not played it that way. I have also come across some "hidden" activities, one is the disclaimer promise that you failed to uphold.
BULLSHIT AGAIN!! And there has been no hidden activities be specific, otherwise its just my cryptic misleading crap.
I stand by my decision. You all lead me to it.
No I am convinced your team of disgruntled diapered mods has led you by a nose ring into this decision. You have never shown any personal backbone yourself, so whatever....talk to the hand...
And if you read all of the posts you copied from here you should see I did not say that "thubans" exclusively was the problem, but you were the biggest problem.
Now stop pretending CF is the only place in the world worth while to you.
If people here find your material interesting they should surely increase your user activity at your forums right? Then you don't event have to worry about nasty comments at all, more time for your material instead.
If you and your moderation team were doing anyone any justice on this forum we wouldn't have to worry about it here now would we? WHAT kind of statement is this? So are you saying you condoned this type of behavior towards us Tommy? You and Kerry are responsible for manning this ship and yes we hold you accountable for allowing this travesty of slander and personal attacks to even take place!! Instead of choosing to allow us to stay and share our information, you have systematically allowed us to be abused by other members on this site and are now telling us to piss off basically. But hey be my guest if this is the kind of message you wish to send to your readership, members and non-members alike...???
This is all I have time for right now..
All the best,
Tommy
Yes and ( insert obscene gesture) you from the bottom of my dragon heart,
Raven
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#34788 April 5th, 2011
smurfette wrote:
Tommy,
Can you tell me what's going on here? This is not a small bunch of kids playing around. These are adults with a quite vicious intent to destroy the forum. What do you care if they're banned?
www.thuban.spruz.com/html-page.htm <--- scroll down . I don't think they thought we'd look there.
Here, they haven't made anyone anonymous and you'll see from the dates they've been doing this since August 2010. (screenshot)
Is that what you meant when you asked them to remove the html from Camelot thread?
That they edit it at their leisure to make Camelot look bad while they can look superior?
The ONLY threads in the thuban forum are Camelot threads!
These guys are professional liars and twisters of the truth!
"Dragons from Thuban to ban the Falseness" ??? They ARE the falseness!!
Trolli, Tangy, smurfette, spacecake - I PRIVATELY do the same and their nicknames aren't going to associate us either way, but this is a pathetic attempt to gloat and they are still trying to take the forum down, why aren't you stopping it?
Silence forever? MMmmmmmm, please?I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.
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#34791 April 5th, 2011
thomas wrote:
Yes, the copy issues...
Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?
Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.
And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.
You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.
And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
(this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)
Thanks folks
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#34792 April 5th, 2011
Lighter wrote:
siriusblue you are right....
Also they are trying to take us down, they know how many guests are reading this, how bad it makes Camelot look and also ride on the shirt-tails at the same time.
Seems they will not stop until they reach their goal. The reason they keep bringing Kerry into this is that they want her to change what has happened. That is like going over the top of everyone in this forum.
Tony sits there not saying a word just copying everything almost mediately names and all.
Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey
#34794 April 5th, 2011
thomas wrote:
What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened
You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.
The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry
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#34795 April 5th, 2011
Phoenix wrote:
tommy wrote:
Yes, the copy issues...
Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?
Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.
And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.
You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.
And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
(this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)
Thanks folks
Dear Tommy!
What are you implying here; more slander and accusations under false premises?
I have stated clearly in my address to you that I will fully comply with overwriting the html references to camelot and as is clearly stated in the disclaimers.
I have laso made it clear; if you care to actually peruse, what I said; that i would NOT delete the EVIDENCE of the slander and the accusations directed at the 'Thuban' name from the onset.
The html page referenced by Zoe was such an edit and evidence as to the rules of Camelot as to the 'locking of threads' and the 'banning of members'and the precedent of the socalled 'kneller' banning and whatever the circumstances of this occurrence implied and engaged upon in contexts.
As you can clearly see for yourself; no camelot html references (except to the forum thread in toto), are published on the Thuban forums.
It is edited and republished as information and factual testimony. You will not see any of this evidence manipulated in any form or manner; except the removal of the html references; to which I agreed to.
I honour my word and my word was as stated in my open reply to you on one of the threads, which is now locked.
The words uttered by the 'contestors' will speak for themselves and are presented publically as evidence without 'editorial comments'.
There is no other agenda besides open data sharing and there never was any other agenda besides this and as stated from the very beginning.
Isaiah 29:21:
That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
This statement encapsulates the present situation!
The Thuban name remains in honour and integrity; despite the misgivings and mental confusions of its detractors.
Phoenix
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I Am One in Many and Many in One!
Exe*=1
#34796 April 5th, 2011
jimmy wrote:
PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THIS BAN THEM IMO THEIR TEARING THE HEART OUT OF THIS FORUM
ONLY TOMMY OR KERRY CAN DO IT I PRAY
#34797 April 5th, 2011
Raven wrote:
tommy wrote:
What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened
You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.
The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry
tommy wrote:
9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!
Your welcome, you asked....I delivered.
As for what Sui discussed about sticking to only two threads on your forum, well she forgot to mention that part to us. So it looks like an error in communicating things clearly, on both sides I might add.
Raven
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I Am One in Many and Many in One!
Exe*=1
#34798 April 5th, 2011
thomas wrote:
Raven wrote:
tommy wrote:
What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened
You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.
The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry
tommy wrote:
9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!
Your welcome, you asked....I delivered.
As for what Sui discussed about sticking to only two threads on your forum, well she forgot to mention that part to us. So it looks like an error in communicating things clearly, on both sides I might add.
Raven
Yes, no problem.
What about the large amount of material you copied without permission? You did not even clean up the html. Also, the recently copied posts: You accepted the disclaimer rule, why did you not follow it?
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#34801 April 5th, 2011
smurfette wrote:
Are you talking about THIS Kneller??I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.
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#34802 April 5th, 2011
Phoenix wrote:
tommy wrote:
Arachne wrote:
tommy wrote:
Yes, the copy issues...
Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?
Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.
And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.
You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.
And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
(this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)
Thanks folks
Dear Tommy!
What are you implying here; more slander and accusations under false premises?
I have stated clearly in my address to you that I will fully comply with overwriting the html references to camelot and as is clearly stated in the disclaimers.
I have laso made it clear; if you care to actually peruse, what I said; that i would NOT delete the EVIDENCE of the slander and the accusations directed at the 'Thuban' name from the onset.
The html page referenced by Zoe was such an edit and evidence as to the rules of Camelot as to the 'locking of threads' and the 'banning of members' and the precedent of the socalled 'kneller' banning and whatever the circumstances of this occurrence implied and engaged upon in contexts.
As you can clearly see for yourself; no camelot html references (except to the forum thread in toto), are published on the Thuban forums.
It is edited and republished as information and factual testimony. You will not see any of this evidence manipulated in any form or manner; except the removal of the html references; to which I agreed to.
I honour my word and my word was as stated in my open reply to you on one of the threads, which is now locked.
The words uttered by the 'contestors' will speak for themselves and are presented publically as evidence without 'editorial comments'.
There is no other agenda besides open data sharing and there never was any other agenda besides this and as stated from the very beginning.
Isaiah 29:21:
That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
This statement encapsulates the present situation!
The Thuban name remains in honour and integrity; despite the misgivings and mental confusions of its detractors.
Phoenix
You can keep as much evidence as you want ON YOUR LOCAL COMPUTER, not online. The html is not cleaned up.
Dear Tommy!
There is no html reference online in public access mode.
If there is I shall correct it. However due to the voluminous slander and accusations brought to bear against the Thuban members; the republishing of the evidence will take some time.
Also the continued attacks warrant more collection of evidence and as you can see, the tolearance and allowance of some 'Thubans' has run out and you are fully justified to corollarily collect the evidence of the name calling, false accusations and slander directed towards your 'members' in the same way we are doing.
The Thubans never started and desired this deterioration in common decency and mutual respect towards the human family.
We ever only started 2 threads, the Extraterrestrial Life one and the Dragonheart one. We commented very rarely on any other thread and had mutully beneficial interactions with few, but intelligent and open minded contributors on those threads.
Then we were attacked by cakes and slander and name callings and other threads NOT begun by any of the Thubans came into existence and the deterioration of common etiquette continued.
Show me or any of us Thubans, where we started any of this malice in the common affairs between contributors on a common forum?
Regarding Zoe's association of Thuban with MoA - we are not! Certain threads of the old Avalon forum were transfered to MoA; but are what you may term not visited. So to couple MoA with Thuban is inappropriate in context and in associativity.
Phoenix
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#34805 April5th, 2011
smurfette wrote:
Sorry Tony?
The original thread/post was by the same member as started this thread and the title in this screenshot says it all:I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.
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#34809 April 5th, 2011
Phoenix wrote:.jpg)
siriusblue wrote:
Sorry Tony?
The original thread/post was by the same member as started this thread and the title in this screenshot says it all:
Dear Zoe!
Is this one of your grand discoveries?
Yes SuiGeneris is a member of MoA. She helped to transfer many many threads from the older 'mists' after they experienced server problems.
And you are free to visit Avalon or Nexus or Thuban to start a thread about the 'evil dragons' from Alpha Draconis and how those fiends are infiltrating forums in attempts to hijack them.
Feel invited Zoe to do this on any of our places. We shall NOT restrict you in your freedom of self expression mode and I for one will not call you 'a lunatic' or throw cakes at you.
Respect for your diligence and stamina!
Yes, the html page was an oversight and has been fixed. See my beloved; I am really rather inadequate in 'hiding' things. It goes against my principles and it is only external pressures, which have forced me somewhat to 'hide' things, against my own deepest wishes and intentions.
Phoenix
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#34812 April 5th, 2011
Dede wrote:
Some people are posting on these threads to weaken your mind. If you are not centered within your own self it could be easy to become unsure, paranoid and dualistic but most of all one could potentially LOSE THEIR OWN MIND! This is a warning. If you are looking to make friends - go out into the real world and find a real human. Do not become addicted to opening up to cyberspace and thinking this is where you are connected because quite frankly, in a nutshell "YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO". Wake up call to find real relationships in the real world.... Go into nature, get lots of sunshine, drink lots of water and talk to real people where you can "Look them in the eye" develop a real connection and see their body language and start then by being able to "read other peoples energies".. You cannot do any of these things just mentioned on a computer. Games are being played and these games on these forums are not for the "weak minded". This information is for you the reader to "be aware" and always ask "what else is going on" don't come to conclusion - but see from all perspectives and you will always then be in your own truth and in your own center! The best thing now if you can relate to anything I have just said is this "Go back out into nature" "re-connect with your own self" "Find your center" "Do not be afraid" and remember "it is never too late"...
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"Yep" is kind of GT's trademark, which makes me laugh every time I see it.
geeeee!
Im just sayin.
It is good though that we can all get together like this and share ideas and or throw sand at each other. At least your not all banned and still talking , this is a improvement and can only lead to a brighter future. Peace JT!
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