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Kryon: The Recalibration of Knowledge


8 March 2012 - 9:05am | sensipeter

Channeler: Lee and Kryon Saturday, 14 January, 2012 (posted 8 March, 2012) Greetings, dear ones, I am Kryon of Magnetic Service. There's no 3D time here where I am, and it's difficult for me to give you or my partner messages that are synchronistic to the reality you live in. Instead, we often give you information about the energies and the potentials that are here and not something on your timeline. So that is what this particular message is about. We have only a few things to say, but it's going to require that we do it slowly and accurately, for we're dealing with things my partner has no knowledge of. So I give him intuitive visions, and he then translates them in real time as he receives them. Even the voice that you hear, the consciousness that you perceive, and the energy that is around him is his ability to meld with Spirit in a quantum state. This allows him to bring forward in what you call real time a message that he is not aware of. He steps aside as he does now and, with curiosity, listens to what's happening next. It is not a takeover. The man who is in the chair and I have an agreement, and it's one he hasn't talked about much. Years ago when I said to him, "We are going to channel in this fashion," he said, "I refuse to have a takeover." So instead, I offered him a meld and I said to him, "If you will meld with me during these times, there will come a day when the meld is permanent." And he agreed. Then he asked me, "Is the meld unusual?" I told him no. It is what every single Human can do - not to sit in front of humans and channel as you see now, but instead to have a direct portal to the Creator in all things. It isn't unusual. In fact, it's what every Human on Earth intuitively feels is what they want - a connection to home. These things have been done by Humans many times before, and before that they were done, and before that they were done [explained in a channelling to come later]. The result of doing the meld properly eventually connects you to the Creative source and you stop being a Human, as you define it. The ones who seeded this planet walk this day here and they don't die. They're in a quantum state and they can travel wherever they want. They reside in certain parts of the earth, including Shasta and Hawaii [in your country] and many other portals on the planet. Many of you reading this know what I'm talking about. And that is the promise of what happens with earths everywhere that go through a process where they pass the decision points and start another process, a process where they change their reality out of 3D into a new paradigm. My Cryptic Communication I am trying not to be cryptic, and at the same time I do not reveal the specifics of things that are not known to you yet. Spirit has a promise to humanity: Since you are the planet of free choice at the moment, we can't give you hints. All the things that are revealed must already be here in Human potential thought. All inventions of what might come about have to already be germinating somewhere in the Human mind. And if it isn't so, we don't speak of it. This respects the process of the test that is before you and the experience you have come to have. It's your agreement with us. Perhaps this is the first time you've heard this from a channeller, the fact that we do not reveal things that are not already here in some form? It's the truth. However, typically Human creative thought, even of invention, of potential, of philosophy, may take a decade or more to reach the place where the masses may hear about it. So today I'm going to tell you some things that we see the potentials of that are there already. It isn't fortune telling. It's on the earth already. So I will walk you through some things quickly. The New Energy 2012 You're in a new energy and it's just starting. It's different than the past New Energy. The end of 2011, mushing into this 2012 year, brought about what we have been predicting to you for a long time. It is The Bridge of Swords. The Bridge of Swords we have described before is a bridge that humanity uses to go from one energy to another and it's celebrated all over the Universe. It's celebrated by those who helped seed the planet and by those who helped seed them, and the ones before them and the ones before them. They are standing around you, in front of you, in the corridor of your life, crossing the swords above our head, celebrating a victory. Like the ceremony of marriage in the military, where the comrades in battle stand and cross the swords and you walk down the aisle, that's the Bridge of Swords and that's what you're doing. Oh, dear ones, it may sound cryptic to you again, but these who cross those swords have gone through what you have gone through. They KNOW what is happening and where it may eventually lead you. They have been waiting for this for a very long time. There are so many from so many different parts of the Universe, and they all know. Help With What is Currently Happening You've got help. What happens to a planet that is starting to soften? Old souls are the Lightbearers and have been for years. They're the ones who can show the rest of the earth light in a dark place. That's what you've been doing for years, and it's been an uphill battle. It's an overused metaphor, but one that we continue to use for simplicity. Consider that you have those on the planet who have walked in the dark for thousands of years. It's just darkness. It's not evil or mystical, but simply the absence of light. It's a darkness where humanity doesn't unify, because it is hard to do that if an entire Human race is walking in the dark. It's hard to know what to do when you can't see where you are walking. So you take care of yourself. It's more about survival than anything else - the basics. In survival, you collect others around you for safety and comfort. You can hear them; you can sense them; you can collect that which is what you would call a group, and you huddle in the dark, metaphorically. This is the metaphor for the planet as you know it. Wars break out because you're in the dark. You can't see the others, so you fear them and prepare to always defend your reality. That's the way it has been for almost all of history. Suddenly, however, there is light. What happens when there's light in a dark place, even a little? Suddenly, many can see to walk from here to there. Imagine having to walk in the darkness from A to B for centuries, and suddenly there is a light on the path. There is no fear about the unknown when you can see in front of you! You're free to unify, since you can see that the others are just like you! You're free to have ideas. You're free to have knowledge. This particular message is what I told you it would be. You may call it The Recalibration of Knowledge on the Planet. Unknowing to you, and very slowly, a softening is taking place, moving the energy of the planet more from the masculine to the feminine. That is to say, it is balancing what was unbalanced. North and South are coming together hemispherically, so that there's no longer a macho Northern hemisphere, but rather one which is balanced. It has to happen this way for Africa to do what it's going to do. (predictions ahead) Look at Africa on the map. You'll know what I'm talking about. Balance must occur and it is occurring. Africa is literally going to be the "New World" within 75 years. What happens when you heal a continent and the basics are then available without the control of disease or dictators? The answer is an amazing beginning of a civilization that has no boundaries and nothing to unlearn but poverty. Watch for it and "stand back." What happens when the earth starts to soften up and there's more light? Even the terrorists change. I invite you to watch for it, Human Being; I invite you to watch all of it. You can watch some things happen that you didn't expect. When the Soviet Union fell over, how many of you had the answers of why that took place without a civil war? It was because that old energy was no longer supportable by the Humans who lived there. There comes a time in the physics of consciousness where if you do not have a cooperative group of Human Beings who will agree with an old energy precept, it cannot be sustained. What happens when the majority of the world doesn't want war anymore? You are actually seeing this develop. Has anyone told you that you are "overdue" for another world war? In 3D, you are. Within the paradigm of the old energy, you are. I want you to watch some countries. I don't have a clock [this statement is Kryon telling us that there is no time frame on his side of the veil, only potentials]. I'll just tell you, it's imminent [in Spirit's timing, this could mean as soon as a decade]. I want you to watch some countries carefully for changes. You're going to be seeing changes that are obvious, and some that are not obvious [covert or assumptive]. But the obvious ones you will see sooner than not - Cuba, Korea [North], Iran, of course, and Venezuela. I want you to watch what happens when they start to realize that they don't have any more allies on Earth! Even their brothers who used to support them in their hatred of some are saying, "Well, perhaps not anymore. It doesn't seem to be supporting us anymore." Watch the synchronicities that are occurring. The leaders who have either died or are going to in the next year or so will take with them the old ways. Watch what happens to those who take their place, and remember these meetings where I described these potentials to you. The Old Energy is Alive, But Not Happy I want to tell you something: Old energy dies kicking and screaming. Old energy does not surrender, ever. Old energy simply dies hard and slow. There will be hold-outs for a long time. There will be those who are convinced that the only way to get what they want is to create drama, war, and fear. They continue to want to spring up in places you felt were safe, and to pull you backwards with them. They hate the fact that the earth is going soft on them, and they continue to rattle their sabers, make threats, and make news doing it. They're not the majority, Human Being, but often they are the loudest. When you walk around in perfect health and you are feeling great except for your sore toe, what do you think about? Your SORE TOE! So then you watch your media talk about sore toes for endless hours, and you get depressed. I know you understand the metaphor. The Weather... Again My partner has been "against the grain" in the past years, giving you what I have channelled about the weather. Is it global warming? No. Is it going to get better? No. This is a two-generation cycle. There will continue to be earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, and storms. This is a recalibration of life in the ocean, and humanity must go through this in any way they can. This is a cycle, a known and expected one, but since you haven't gone through it in modern times, it's not well understood yet. I would like to tell you that you have the same intuitive equipment like the animals do, to keep you safe in the right place at the right time. Yet you don't believe it. Oh, you'll use the Parking Angel, but not the Life Angel. The little stuff is easy for you, but the big stuff is a mystery. It's the same process, "Dear Spirit, where should I live? Dear Spirit, where should I go?" Spirit is right there answering, and you perceive it as intuition. But the first thing you do is to say, "Naw. That's me talking. No, I'm waiting for the voice in the sky. Sorry." You still don't understanding that that is how God speaks to individuals - through the little voice that holds your hand and is the first intuitive impression after a question. Sometimes you get your answer before the question is asked because we know you're asking it. Sometimes we're so anxious to give you the answer, so excited that you would even ask, that it comes even before you ask, way before. This is guidance. That's what to expect. It comes with the territory of a rejuvenation of the planet and this is the year it starts being enhanced. Now, are you going to receive it or throw it away since "you" thought of it? The Revelations to Come in Physics Now, let's talk physics because we now can reveal some things, beautiful things, that are starting to occur in science and are starting to be seen and partially understood. What you have before you, the gentleman sitting on the floor, is Yawee. I know him well. [Kryon is speaking now about Dr. Todd Ovokaitys, M.D., DNA researcher and member of the Kryon team, who sits on the floor in this live session. Dr. Ovokaitys has been identified by Kryon in the past as a great Lemurian scientist and keeper of the truths within the Lemurian Temple of Rejuvenation, discussed in 1994 in Kryon Book Two.] It's interesting, is it not, what the Akashic memory banks bring forward within a Human? Your Akash is soul memory designed to release information about your Akash as the energy of the earth changes to a measurement where it's appropriate to begin a process of revelation. Nikola Tesla created massless objects in his laboratory - what you would call anti-gravity. He knew how to transmit electricity wirelessly (by the way, through the ground, not the air), through the earth (not the atmosphere), and he was frustrated he could not prove it better. The technology was not there, but more than that, the energy of the planet, consciously, was not ready for him. He could not get past the barrier of the belief of others. By the way, he's back and so is Einstein and you'll know them when you see what they're up to. The energy of your time is now appropriately ready for some of the theories that were before their time, which were just as accurate then as they are now. Watch for entirely new science to suddenly erupt with solutions for problems that you have been working on for years, solutions where you say, "Why didn't they think of that before?" Expect cold fusion, by the way. I've told you this before. The experiment with cold fusion was accurate [speaking of the much-discounted Ponds and Fleshman experiment in the past]. The experimenters could not repeat their discovery because they were not aware of the attribute of magnetics that was influencing their experiment [which was done in a basement with the electric utility panels around them]. They thought it was simple chemistry. It wasn't. It was an accidental discovery of physics that remains a mystery at the moment, but that combines chemistry with magnetics, which few are trying. The same thing happened to Tesla, where he was actually able to observe an object fly off the bench, but really didn't know why. He knew it had to do with the design of magnetics, but couldn't begin to do the design with the tools and technology of the day. Can you imagine such a thing? Now you understand his depression. Such is the way advancement often happens on the planet. A Conversation with Yawee [The Name for Dr. Todd] Todd is here and in this new energy his Lemurian Akash is starting to reveal what he knows. The energy moves forward and releases engrams into his consciousness. He doesn't get everything all at once, none of you do. The vision that he had started his quest, [speaking of his DNA vision years ago], but he is now remembering items that are being released to him little by little. My messages to Yawee about his profound pineal tonings did not come from the ethers. He already knew it. But let us say, he needed a prodding so that he would match the clock of 2012. [Laughter] And it had worked and he will be ready on time. But he knew this information already. He already had the inkling and perception of the tones put together, because he knows about the cycle of physics that nobody talks about... and so we will today. The Temple of Rejuvenation As Yawee, Todd ran something called the Temple of Rejuvenation in Lemuria. There were attempts to recreate it in Atlantis much, much later, but that didn't work because Yawee wasn't there. Yawee had an attribute that the Lemurians knew was unusual, and that was that he lived three times the lifetime span that they did. So he had within him some secrets about energy, and specifically DNA. In the Temple of Rejuvenation, he had discovered something that is in the works of being discovered right now. I don't have a clock. How soon? You'll see. So I address Yawee now in order to continue the teaching: Good morning, Yawee. [Note that the time of day is irrelevant, seeing as how this meeting was approaching 5 p.m. Many never noticed this. It's Kryon humor.] Todd: Good day, Magnetic Master. We've spoken before. We've done it like this and we've done it in private. You're not being put on the spot, for we always give these discussions in appropriate love, just in order to perhaps press issues that are already there, so they match your clock [again, speaking of the 3D time we have]. What do you remember about the Temple of Rejuvenation that comes to you in certain aspects? Do you remember what the energies were there? Todd: There was the use of the intrinsic magnetic core of the earth that was especially concentrated in certain areas and was further augmented by altitude. You remember, dear ones listening to this and reading this, that the Temple of Rejuvenation rested on the top of Lemuria's mountain. Lemuria is the highest mountain on the planet. To this day, it remains the highest mountain, but today it is submerged. It is called Hawaii. The Islands of Hawaii are only the mountaintops of one giant mountain. Measured from the bottom to the top, it is the largest on the planet. There is snow at the top, even now. Can you imagine it 20,000 feet higher? Can you imagine what it looked like observable from space? This is the one that the Pleiadians chose to come to first. Obvious, it was. Yawee, you might remember, you were always cold. Always cold. For you couldn't have a heater in the temple because then it didn't work! When you saw that which is being done in science today on the screen that my partner brought [a video that Lee showed earlier on macro-entanglement], did you see anything interesting that you might remember? We speak of temperature. We speak of cold that is so cold that it actually creates less resistance to the flow of energy. This is actually the catalyst for increasing that which is magnetic by 10, 100 times, even 1,000-fold depending on the temperature. Without technical machinery, it was one of the attributes that allowed you to do what you did in that temple. I want to ask you this. How much do you remember about the physical apparatus that was necessary for this? I ask you these things only of interest to see what your Akash is up to. We have said there was something called the target Human. Todd: In this moment, the key attribute is a magnetic driver with a particular geometry both above and below the so-called target Human. So there was both magnetics - there was the no-zone point that creates the entanglement and there was the importance of a counter rotation and counter spin. Very good. Impressive. Now, the big question. So the Human is entangled, is it? With what is the Human quantumly entangled with? Do you remember? Let me ask you this. How many Humans are in the room? Todd: About 10. Indeed. And is there a special one? Todd: The template Human. Correct! Ah, indeed. Do you remember any other attribute about the template Human that would be noticeable if you saw them? You're not there yet. And that is what we're going to jog in your memory today, if it's all right with you. Todd: Sure. I'll get back to you Yawee, but for now I have to go through a process for all of you to understand what is happening. In the process, there is revelation. I now take you to basic atomic structure. I've done this before, but I've never taken you to this stage. I want you to look at an electron with me, as though you are there and as small as it is. Now go slowly, my partner, for you've had no training in this and it's important that you get the message as presented and don't enhance it [Kryon speaking to Lee]. Physicists say that electrons spin. They don't, and they can't. There's no surface on an electron, since they are energy. They don't spin, but instead have an electronic potential. Every single particle on this planet, everything you can see, all things in this Universe, are created with polarity. This is new information now. All things are created with polarity, and they're designed to be self-balancing. And because of the polarity of what you would call plus and minus, they move and try to balance themselves within a field - all things, both physical and other. However, all polarities are prone to be biased by what I will call peer pressure. Electrons that carry (or spin with a polarity) of what you would call a certain kind of charge - we'll call it positive - are drawn to those that are negative so that they will null themselves out. They seek each other out to create the null of balance. They seek to be balanced, and if they are not, they are not happy. I use this word only to emphasize the condition of a particle of physics that does not find its balance. Even the unscientific can appreciate this. But even with atoms, there are not always matched pairs of electrons, since there is no atomic rule that says that electrons will always be created in even numbers. So there will often be what I will call the odd one out and when that happens, the entire atom will then be charged positively or negatively, depending upon the odd one out. When this happens, this atom will seek out another atom, which has an odd one out of an opposite charge. That has a name: Magnetism. I've just explained magnetism. Now, science knows part of that already. What they have not realized yet, however, is that all things have a duality. They suspect it and there are theories that will show it soon enough, and I've given it to you today because it always has existed in someone's mind. So from the very smallest to the very biggest, even the galaxy has duality. At the center of your galaxy, what you call the black hole, is a quantum push/pull engine, and I'm going to tell you in a minute why it's that way. Here is a big question, and I will answer it right now. Why does everything have a polarity? Why would it be created this way, even down to the electron? The smallest thing, even to what you call the Higgs Bosen [God Particle] and the quarks, they all have polarity. There isn't a piece of nature that you're going to find that doesn't have polarity. Why? I will tell you why: Physicists will laugh. Not in ridicule, but in agreement. If it were not this way, the Universe would be a dull, boring place to be. Because, by creating a duality in every single particle, you create an active Universe that is self-balancing and is never at rest. If it were not this way, it would be static, unchanging, and non-creative. Therefore, without polarity, there would be no life. Life is created by having a duality, a polarity in atomic particles. Life is that which is necessary for the Universe to exist. There's no reason for physics without life - and you thought it was the other way around, didn't you? Life was an accident on one planet. Oh, how 3D of you! Life is the DESIGN. Let's continue the discussion, for it's going someplace. Yawee, you just described the process of creating macro-entanglement in the Temple. What you described was magnetics and null points. Very good! Do you perhaps understand that magnetics and null points are even at the center of your galaxy? Todd: Of course. So that means the galaxy is an entangled state with itself. This now explains why all the constellations and solar systems are not following Newtonian movement. Instead, they all move together as one around the center, because they are entangled. I've just given the reason for it, and science will start to understand that soon. It has been a mystery so far, but now you know. So you have macro-entanglement. The largest thing you can imagine, the galaxy, is entangled with itself. Is it possible there are other entanglement issues that you don't see or recognize or know about in every single day of life? And the answer's yes. So here we go. Oh, dear Human Being, what I'm going to give you next is beautiful, and it has to do with DNA and Yawee knew it. He knew how to do something magical. The blueprint for DNA is perfect. The good doctor will tell you that in his current incarnation [as Todd]. I've told you that before. It's perfect inside you, yet you sit here with DNA that doesn't work well. It seems to be a dichotomy, since it is perfect and designed for extended life, yet it does some things that are counter-intuitive to that. DNA is designed as an informational source to receive the energy of that which is around it, created by the consciousness of humanity. It then postures itself in an appropriate reaction to the energy it is in. In other words, if the planet has low energy, it will, too. It's a quantum engine, and if the quantum energy created by Human consciousness is low, it works poorly. I want to define life for you - not biological life, but spiritual life. So for all those intellectuals, just hold on, for many won't like this. Spiritual life, as measured by Spirit, is when a Human has free choice. When is that? It's when they take their first breath. Not in utero. There will be those who will say, "That's wrong, that's wrong. The soul in the woman's body is alive!" Just wait. I'm talking about spiritually. That which Spirit sees, and it's when you come from the other side of the veil and take your first breath. A child with the mother has no free choice. That child is linked to the choice of the mother until it is born. It is, indeed, a soul in preparation for free choice, and there are many attributes that are spiritual that we have discussed before about how that soul reacts. But now I'm discussing life with polarity [duality], free choice. But let's discuss that "child inside" for a moment, for there is a process I want you to know about. I want to talk about 240 days into the pregnancy. At about that time, the child has perfect DNA. It hasn't taken its first breath. The DNA hasn't measured the energy of the planet yet, since it is contained. Did you realize that? Inside the womb is a perfect child. The child's DNA has all the attributes of the Akash and also the parent, but it's different in a way you have not been told. The DNA is 100% as designed. The quantum instructions within the DNA are all talking to the biology of the child,, getting ready for the first breath. Now, I reveal to you, Todd, Yawee, what you already know. Explanation of the Temple of Rejuvenation The Temple of Rejuvenation has two Human Beings quantumly entangled. One is the target. The other one is the "template." Life extension, through the knowledge of DNA that Yawee had, was to entangle the target with the template and transfer certain attributes from the one to the other. The only way this could ever work is if DNA had a quantum attribute, and it does. All our teaching for more than 10 years has told you that the 90 percent of DNA that is non-encoded and considered "junk" is a quantum instruction set. Therefore, the DNA molecule must have some quantum attributes yet to be discovered, but that are very real and have to do with instructions to the chemistry of more than three billion parts of the DNA molecule. This is especially true to the gene-producing chemistry of the protein-encoded parts. For simplicity, I tell you that DNA is actively dynamic and can change the reality of everything you think of as "normal." Yawee, you explained very well the attributes of the target creating an entangled state with the template Human. Now we reveal that the template was (1) a woman (2) who is pregnant. You have... Todd interrupting: ... the source of the perfect DNA template! That is correct! So the secret of the Temple of Rejuvenation is twofold: (1) DNA is perfect on Earth within an unborn child and you can transfer some of the attributes of that perfection before it assimilates the energy of the planet. (2) You can extend life and healing through a quantum communication with the DNA molecule. Do you see the implications? The wise, divine feminine who is with child is the only one who could be on the template table. Are you starting to understand the beauty of this, the implications of this and where it's going? There are several things that are going to happen in mainstream science. First, you're going to find some secrets of DNA and they're going to be embryonic. Start watching scientists discover the embryonic cells and the magic within them. You already know that unusual stem cells exist in the placenta. You also know that the pre-programmed adult stem cells are still there in the body. But what about the DNA of the unborn? (Intellectuals, please keep reading, for to stop now will create unrest.) Second, your work today Yawee, will represent "the perfect template" without using what you did in Lemuria. That's why you're the Human who will do this. It's an extension of why you came here, and is perfect for 2012 and beyond. These embryonic cells of the unborn are untouchable by society, and they might as well be on Mars, for no science is going to try to use these cells in a 3D manner, which is all you know how to do at this point. If they try, it won't work anyway. There are quantum processes you are learning about that are not only non-invasive, but actually helpful and that can transfer attributes from one biological cell to another and from one Human to another. Think "wireless" [Kryon human again]. What you thought would take wires over 1,000 miles long is now done with satellites. It's an analogy that shows you that you are moving into totally new understandings of the transfer of energy. Let's discuss the mother in that temple for a moment. The woman on the table back then, who is the "template," won the "Lemurian lottery"[Kryon being funny], for she knows that her baby, being entangled with another Human no matter how old or how sick, creates an enhancement of who that baby will be. This is complicated, but the process of helping the other will be etched into the baby's Akash, and the child will be born with an attribute of the healer. There is complexity and controversy and over-intellectual thinking in all this, for your 3D brains will race to find things wrong with this. All I can tell you is that a quantum system is not a linear one, and your logic will fall on the floor if you try to analyze these things. Can you imagine time in a circle? Can you see being in two places at the same time, or even of changing your molecular structure at will to be part of another object? If you can't do that, then you are not allowed to comment reasonably. For all those things are part of quantum possibilities of DNA. If you don't believe me, ask a Pleiadian [more cryptic Kryon humor]. Now Yawee, are you understanding what you were doing back then? Do you need any more answers? Todd: Well, I could say, do I? Yes! [Laughter] Yawee, what is it that you dream about? What is it that you dream about that you don't know and want to? Todd: I dream about recalibration of the DNA and the coherent alignment that allows us to move freely, I guess, as the Pleiadians do in a quantum state from one place to another. Of course you would ask that, since you see a much larger picture based on what your Akash has seen and remembers. You also know it's possible. Meanwhile, all those in here are asking the same thing about what they just heard: "Where can we find a pregnant woman and do this now?" [Laughter] It's way beyond that, and the Pleiadians knew it. All this information originally came from them and passed to you, Yawee. It was for then, not now. The Pleiadians don't need a pregnant woman in order for them to do what they do today. They have DNA, too, but it's in a fully developed quantum state - a state that is the potential for the Human race. I would remind you that my partner has given you messages in the past about the attitude of physics. Now we are right back to the polarity discussion that started this channelling. This "attitude," Yawee, is imbued into the natural invention that you have discovered. Physics is active and seeks balance. That is to say that every field you have created with your process has the attributes - are you ready? - of perfect DNA. It already sees the attributes of the blueprint of the unborn. You don't need a pregnant woman. The attributes can be passed to the Human and received by that Human in whatever posture that his cellular structure is able to absorb. What you have done in your work is to create a quantum field with those Pleiadian attributes, and the cells listen when they are exposed to them. It's not finely tuned yet, but you will discover how eventually. When you do, you will have the regeneration engine of the future, without a "template Human," but instead with the attributes of the template Human. This process and others will be seen by science also. You won't be alone. It is not appropriate that you would have the secret of life exclusively, so there will be others. Embryonic studies with animals are going to start to reveal that which gives the ability to grow back limbs for Humans, and many of the other things we have talked about for 23 years. It begs still a greater question: "What is the true role of animals on the planet? Do they reincarnate?" This is for another time. Look for these kinds of things to happen soon, and also the use of adult stem cells in a bigger way. And there it is, all laid out in front of you. All of this has been waiting for 2012. Yawee, one of your attributes is that you live with the Pleiadians. You are still in an entangled state with them, which is not in 3D. They want to hear the tones again as they did 26,000 years ago. They're ready. And when that signal is sent, it will say "humanity has arrived and is going to stay" [speaking of Todd's Lemurian Choir Project for the solstice of 2012]. And that is the message for the day. Some will say, "Too much science, Kryon!" Others will say, "Indeed, the beauty of the system of the Creator is at hand." Dear ones, don't be turned away with the particulars of the science. You don't have to know and understand it, but we ask you to celebrate it. For God the creator is the master physicist of the Universe and has used these tools to create the system of life and the balance of love. All of this is going to enhance Human life and Human understanding. Again, I will tell you that the distance between the nucleus and the electron of every single atom is filled with the love of God. That's the soup of the Creator, built for life and ready to take your hand if you want it to. It is the recalibration of knowledge on the planet and the first step into a quantum paradigm. Get ready for it. I have no clock. I can't tell you when. I can only tell you that it is at hand and it was not when we started with you all those years ago. We passed the marker together and now the work begins. And so it is. KRYON = 83 = GNOSIS = WISDOM = 38 = ALPHA = BRIDE = NOAH = CAT.HER.IN.E = MIREILLE = MILL.EIRE =... Comment by Decoder Michael: KRYON United Nations Channeling, New York, Tuesday, November 26th, 1996: ... "There is one major challenge left, dear ones; and it is an important one: MAKE PEACE WITH THE DRAGON - we will leave this message alone for now." ...

[1:46:28 PM-March 20th, 2012 (+11UCT)] Xeia: second paragraph
[1:46:39 PM] Xeia: i do own some Kryon books
[1:46:48 PM] Xeia: can't say i liked everything i read there
[1:49:29 PM] Tonyblue: Most is fine from the science angle
[1:49:48 PM] Tonyblue: it has become a bit of a 'church' but not overly though
[1:50:00 PM] Xeia: yes when it comes to physics it's not that bad
[1:50:08 PM] Tonyblue: It is good xeia
[1:50:24 PM] Tonyblue: Seth was good on science and this one is its successor
[1:50:29 PM] Xeia: i guess i didn't like his long term 'projections'
[1:50:35 PM] Tonyblue: no other channels get anywhere near real science
[1:50:50 PM] Xeia: when he talks about humanity's future in say 50 or 100 yrs from now
[1:51:10 PM] Tonyblue: Yes he is too long term in regards to 2012, but I feel this last post mellowed this as the timefactor is breaking out
[1:51:16 PM] Tonyblue: Yes yes
[1:51:18 PM] Tonyblue: I concur
[1:51:32 PM] Tonyblue: this was the timefactor the Pleiadean 'veil'
[1:51:40 PM] Xeia: i was like wtf?...ok i get it, but damn no way i'm waiting that long
[1:51:41 PM] Tonyblue: But this is what Thuban is see?
[1:51:54 PM] Tonyblue: Thuban defines and is the authority on the 3D timeframe
[1:51:57 PM] Tonyblue: there is no other
[1:52:07 PM] Xeia: Thank God for that!
[1:52:17 PM] Tonyblue: So Kryon had to wait as did everyone else
[1:52:27 PM] Tonyblue: Logos gave the timecapsule to his messengers
[1:53:28 PM] Tonyblue: Yes I agree this was my caveat with Kryon he denounced 2012 as disaster ok, but went too far with the projections and also with political Israel
[1:53:44 PM] Xeia: yes he always does that
[1:53:54 PM] Tonyblue: He never made clear that ISRAEL=JACOB =Adam and not geography and politics

[1:54:18 PM] Tonyblue: But I think he knows and the channelings should get better in 2012

[1:54:30 PM] Xeia: let's hope so
[1:54:35 PM] Tonyblue: I was very impressed with the UN address of 1996
[1:54:39 PM] Xeia: more precise....
[1:54:43 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[1:54:53 PM] Tonyblue: I could read the science new in the books
[1:55:19 PM] Tonyblue: But read this one and you might see the synchro with the Insemination and the Birth
[1:55:29 PM] Xeia: let's see
[2:03:58 PM] Xeia: There's no reason for physics without life - and you thought it was the other way around, didn't you? Life was an accident on one planet. Oh, how 3D of you! Life is the DESIGN.
[2:04:05 PM] Xeia: he's beginning to sound like a Thuban
[2:04:09 PM] Tonyblue: Lol
[2:04:31 PM] Tonyblue: Yes the 'channel' is getting clearer from the Lemurian Veils
[2:04:46 PM] Xeia: this is how i talk in my Spanish Chatroom
[2:05:06 PM] Xeia: i'm glad he mentions Lemuria...
[2:05:16 PM] Xeia: very few even remember old Mu anymore
[2:05:30 PM] Tonyblue: He assigns it at the Hunab Ku see 26,000 years ago
[2:05:31 PM] Xeia: i lived many lifetimes there
[2:05:40 PM] Tonyblue: Midpoint is called Atlantis
[2:05:44 PM] Tonyblue: 13,000 years
[2:05:50 PM] Xeia: yes indeed
[2:05:59 PM] Tonyblue: Some might see it most wont
[2:08:49 PM] Xeia: hmm...how interesting....
[2:08:58 PM] Xeia: we were just talking about healing in here
[2:09:00 PM] Xeia: and rejuvenation
[2:09:08 PM] Tonyblue: Yes I stumbled on this
[2:09:20 PM] Tonyblue: I followed Kryon channelings more a few years ago
[2:09:21 PM] Xeia: good synchro
[2:09:37 PM] Tonyblue: But the science became to bland and repetitive for me so I did not check for a while
[2:09:47 PM] Xeia: same here
[2:10:11 PM] Tonyblue: Yes but I always knew that the 'veil' for all channelings was in place see
[2:10:17 PM] Tonyblue: So generalities would abound
[2:10:40 PM] Tonyblue: These are the Marciniak messages also good so in the 1980s
[2:10:47 PM] Tonyblue: but then becoming bland
[2:10:50 PM] Tonyblue: too
[2:11:34 PM] Tonyblue: So now he says: "I have no clock' and this shows me that they are tuning into Logos time
[2:12:14 PM] Tonyblue: The bad channels will continue to get the times wrong and the better ones will say they dont know or it could be any time
[2:12:42 PM] Tonyblue: After Easter the channels should clear up a bit even the 'bad' ones
[2:14:47 PM] Tonyblue: A typical generalised NABS channel is like this. They are a dime a dozen.


[2:15:00 PM] Tonyblue: Sasha, from the spaceship "Tulya"
5 March 2012 - 9:13am | HelloLight
Channeler:
Kris-Won
I am one of the three females in the group. My name is Sasha and the commander of our spaceship is named Umbro.

Greetings to all our brothers and sisters of Mother Earth.

We come from another, more or less distant, planet; for some it may be very far, for others we would be practically neighbours. How do the variables change, depending on the point of view of the observer! In fact, nothing is rigid in the Universe; the vision of the universe depends on the observer's perception, according to his/her experience, lives, living conditions, etc.

Right now, we are seven human beings visiting you, and who have the same place of origin. And I say 'human beings' because our appearance is humanoid, like yours (you would not think that the inhabitants of this planet are the only human beings in all the Cosmos, right?)

The seven of us constitute the crew of the small spaceship in which we travel. Our vehicule is relatively small, but it is comfortable -- one could live all one's life in it without getting bored because we have multitude means of entertainment, even a room where we can recreate through holographic sounds and images any habitat in the Universe in which we desire to be. As you can see, there is no way to get bored having possibilities like this. We can also recreate moments from our past in which we have been happy and which bring us happiness and joy again by reliving them in detail, as if they were occurring again.

I am one of the three females in this group. My name is Sasha, and the commander of our spaceship is named Umbro. All my travel companions are extraordinary beings, so loving and helpful that you'd love to be able to meet them, I am sure.

Perhaps some of you would like to get in touch with us; in order to do that, you only need to go to a secluded and solitary place, either alone or in a group, and connect with our spaceship. Towards this end, I will reveal to you the name of our spaceship, which is the same as the name of our group and our mission here on Earth: TULYA.

Start by breathing slowly and deeply, and then mentally repeat in a whisper or in a low voice TULYA several times, with the intention to wish to contact us. It is also very important to visualize our spaceship, either flying over your surface or on the ground. And once you feel the contact with us has been made, then the happenings will speak for themselves . We do not tell you anything else in advance, only to try this and experience it yourselves.

I don't know if this invitation has been extended to you before, because there is a multitude of small spaceships like ours flying over your beautiful planet, already famous in the entire Universe, (spaceships) whose crews are beings of very different planets or stars, and I don't know if one of them has offered you to make contact with them directly.

Anyway, there it is, our invitation. If you have not experienced this before, perhaps this event will be the prelude of a new form of contacting us in a way that has not been tried before. And if you have already done this with other brothers and sisters from space, then you will count with the experience of having done it before, and it will be simpler, for it will be less new to you.

What do you say to this? Shall we try it?

Go on, then! Who said "fear"?

Source: Sasha, from the spaceship "Tulya"

Channel: Kris Won
[2:16:11 PM] Xeia: Mark 13:32
[2:16:20 PM] Xeia: "But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels who are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

[2:17:08 PM] Tonyblue: Yes and then the Father tells the Son and the SonDaughter tells herhis friends and bingo!
[2:18:20 PM | Edited 2:18:54 PM] Tonyblue: WHEN the time has come. Many conveniently misapproppriate this scripture in their self-righteousness and competitive spirit of ignorance and 'sinfulness'.
[2:18:56 PM] Xeia: { It is, indeed, a soul in preparation for free choice, } speaking about the babe still in his mom's womb
[2:19:04 PM] Xeia: much like a human is in this moment in time
[2:19:19 PM] Tonyblue: Yes this is precisely the agenda of Easter.
[2:19:55 PM] Tonyblue: But the template femme is not a human or ET mother, but the Virgin Cosmos in toto.
[2:20:59 PM] Xeia: as unbelievable as it may seem to most
[2:27:36 PM] Tonyblue: shared this dear
[2:27:50 PM] Xeia: "The DNA is 100% as designed."
[2:27:56 PM] Xeia: or "Virgin" DNA?
[2:28:11 PM] Tonyblue: Yes I said many times in my posts, that the DNA is 'base perfect' recall that?
[2:28:19 PM] Xeia: yes
[2:28:53 PM] Tonyblue: This means the DNA which projects the physical DNA in the biochemistry
[2:29:14 PM] Tonyblue: This is what Kryon indicates there
[2:29:23 PM] Xeia: so each time around, the human has a chance to always at some point revert it back to the original template
[2:29:36 PM] Tonyblue: It is purly 12D and this is 'beyond the veil' as he terms it
[2:29:42 PM] Tonyblue: YES
[2:30:23 PM] Tonyblue: It is literally base - perfect and consistes of the 'cosmic human' the dragon, the starhuman and not the planetary 'densified' old human
[2:30:33 PM] Xeia: indeed
[2:31:09 PM] Tonyblue: After death you revert to this as a new 'journey' in the 'overworld-underworld' dyadic matrix complex
[2:32:04 PM] Tonyblue: So there is no direct ascension and the 'ascended masters' NABS is mainly astral 'interferenc e pattern' of the quantum physics, as are the 'evil ETs', star wars and so on
[2:32:44 PM] Tonyblue: The 'Rejuvenation Chamber' assigns the 'sacred geometry' see in association with 'magnetics'. This then are those 'magneto charges' Thuban publishes as higher D polarity conjugates to the lower D electro charges
[2:33:25 PM] Xeia: i am just getting there...i'm reading this carefully



[2:36:10 PM] fates---: After death?
[2:36:47 PM] Tonyblue: You dissipate fates
[2:37:16 PM] fates---: I figure as much
[2:37:30 PM] fates---: You can't take your memories atleast
[2:37:36 PM] Tonyblue: You converge from the 'spirit' aka the waveform into the quantum individualtion, called 'particular particle' and you diverge when you leave your densification
[2:38:43 PM] Tonyblue: This is the real solution to the quantum paradox of Schrödinger's Cat
[2:39:08 PM] Tonyblue: You are BOTH dead and alive at all times in a quantium bilocality
[2:39:18 PM] fates---: So really there is only one thing existing after death, all that is?
[2:39:27 PM] Tonyblue: You misunderstood
[2:40:17 PM] Tonyblue: The Cosmic Birth is the collapse of the wave into the particle aka the individual and the Cosmic Death is the collapse of the particle function of the individualtion
[2:40:49 PM] Tonyblue: So this the nirvana worshippers got right, but they miss the purpose of the existence of the duality in the first place
[2:41:24 PM] Tonyblue: So your BIRTH is your LIVE as a particle continuing as your life as a wave at 'death'
[2:41:55 PM] fates---: Still individualized?
[2:42:19 PM] Tonyblue: The present end of the old paradigms, so becomes the 'changing' of this old karmic laws of the recycling in an end to the duality as EITHER bneing alive as a wave or as a particle
[2:42:42 PM] Tonyblue: The Cosmic Dragan aka the starhuman is always Alive as BOTH simultaneously; yes as a wave or a individuation however subject to the quantum laws of the creator
[2:43:09 PM] Tonyblue: This is the 'doubling' or 'twinning' of yourself in your shadow nature manifested (Khaibit=Menog of Egypt and Persia say)
[2:43:23 PM] fates---: How so?
[2:43:25 PM] Tonyblue: Mirrored in the duplication of the entire Universe
[2:44:26 PM] Tonyblue: In changing the Body-Mind dualism of Desartes say into a BodyMind-MindBody template.
[2:45:21 PM] fates---: A wave of consciousness after death exists how, does it hear and see?
[2:46:34 PM] Tonyblue: It has ears and eyes fates as a MEMORY function of having had ears and eyes in the more dense 3D merkabah. It is also a precondition of the base-perfect genome

[2:47:12 PM] fates---: So memory is retained after death?
[2:47:24 PM] Tonyblue: The cosmos is basically a Memory Machine or Computer, albeit self conscious and alive
[2:47:31 PM] Tonyblue: Of course
[2:48:16 PM] Tonyblue: No thought or deed thought or done by anyone or anything is ever 'lost' or forgotten by the enveloping omniverse
[2:48:20 PM] fates---: Hopefully better than now, I guess I would have to open up to it when I get there
[2:49:23 PM] Tonyblue: As soon as you 'get there' you will KNOW that the purpose of it all is to HAVE a individualisation and so you will work on 'coming back' into incarnation
[2:49:46 PM] Tonyblue: This the Bodhi tree navel gazers have absolutely 'wrong'
[2:49:53 PM] Tonyblue: Nirvana WITHOUT a body is a humungous self deception
[2:51:04 PM] Tonyblue: Nirvana WITH a bodyform , able to access the most densified dimension in 3D is the Masterplan
[2:51:24 PM] fates---: Hmm I see
[2:51:31 PM] Tonyblue: Good, the Jesus GOT saying 'proves' this not the dragon Words=Sword

[2:54:45 PM] fates---: Individualization yet so limited, I guess limitation brings about technology through hardship. It is were too easy we wouldn't evolve
[2:58:51 PM] Xeia: ok i finished
[3:00:22 PM] Xeia: this "distance" between the nucleus and the electron ~~ is infinite and filled with sacred geometry no?
[3:00:39 PM] Xeia: is that what he refers to as the "attributes" that are already embedded within each one as template?
[3:00:50 PM] Tonyblue: Yes and this IS IN FACT a most powerful statement as it defines the LoveFrequency of the Creator
[3:02:17 PM] Tonyblue: It is the Electromagnetic Finestructure Constant Alpha as a one-to-one dimensional mapping beteen 12D and 3D and in 3D this becomes precisely the Golden Mean 0.618033... of the 'sacred geometry'
[3:02:25 PM] Xeia: when he talked about the "pregnant woman", i couldn't help but to think of our role here now as virgin templates for the New World
[3:02:35 PM] Tonyblue: OF Course.
[3:02:57 PM] Tonyblue: Pure Logos there, why I asked you to read this in focus and slowly
[3:03:29 PM] Tonyblue: A better Kryon now, would you agree?
[3:03:47 PM] Xeia: you didn't find it by coincidence imo, it just gives more assurance of what we talked about before
[3:03:55 PM] Xeia: oh yes...and funnier too
[3:04:08 PM] Tonyblue: Lol of course MI is behind it all as the CJ femme fatale
[3:04:38 PM] Tonyblue: MI is individualised fates as a particularised MM
[3:05:08 PM] Tonyblue: You and all men have their own MM=CJ, whom they are required to acknowledge as the divine feminine within
[3:05:33 PM] Tonyblue: Before they do this, they cannot partake of the cosmic eucharist period
[3:05:57 PM] Tonyblue: As CJ is eternally entwined with JC in the Master template of all creation
[3:06:38 PM] Tonyblue: All femmes so are necessitated to acknowledge and invite JC or likewise they cannot become starhumans period and due to their missing divine maleess from within
[3:08:26 PM] Xeia: if some cannot even fathom themselves to be entwined with another...for example in a Core, how can you expect them to realize they can be entwined with JC or CJ?
[3:08:38 PM] Xeia: this interelationship is very much real
[3:08:44 PM] Tonyblue: You GOT it Sui
[3:09:01 PM] Tonyblue: It is very very hard to do
[3:09:45 PM] Tonyblue: Old humans simply will have to understand that their 'marriages' are a wayshower to a much grander 'core coupling'
[3:10:23 PM] Xeia: only true understanding of these concepts could begin to break the huge wall of intellectualized perceptions that negate everything and anything that cannot be 'proven' in any tangible way
[3:10:30 PM] Tonyblue: If they insist in their exclusiveness AS Waves, they cannot particularise their own Uniqueness AS Individuals or personas or particles
[3:10:32 PM] Xeia: it's a very subtle energy
[3:10:50 PM] Tonyblue: This is most profound, what I just said, so again ponder it carefully
[3:11:52 PM] Tonyblue: Yes, the 'Heavenly Wedding' is a Uniqueness One-to-One AS Waves in Loyalty and in the 'eating of the Lion'
[3:12:39 PM] Tonyblue: Then the uniqueness in the individuals becomes completely arbitrary as the Waves are all inclusive and allow any, all and sundry particle couplings
[3:14:16 PM] Tonyblue: This is why Jesus says, that the 'Children of the Resurrection' neither 'marry' nor are 'given in marriage'. He means the Old World Human weddings are dusted and gone as 'Particle quantum entanglements' and have become 'wave entanglements', all encompassing
[3:15:17 PM] Tonyblue: This of course, once again is the 'Original Sin=Ignorance' archetyped in Old Eve as a 'Rib and flesh of Old Adam'.
[3:15:53 PM] Tonyblue: Old Eve 'marries' Old Adam for the purpose to 'show the way' into a better 'matrimony' then termed 'dragonomy'
[3:16:49 PM] Tonyblue: Particle(+)|Particle(-) transforms intro Wave(+-)|Wave(-+)
[3:18:38 PM] Xeia: 'insisting in their exclusiveness as waves' would mean the same as resisting to give up of themselves or surrender to the Logos?
[3:21:26 PM] Tonyblue: here, I mean that wave exclusiveness basically defines the human ego in a direct way.
[3:22:36 PM] Tonyblue: So the Nirvanists wish to transcend physicality AS waves see and this excludes their 'graduation' as wavicles as the win-win of the being both; having the cake of the spirit and being able to 'eat' the cake of the physical life as well
[3:23:05 PM] Xeia: oh you mean in that sense...i see
[3:23:26 PM] Tonyblue: Thew Nirvanists fail to realise that they always were and are waves and so their idea of ascending into bliss is a 'cul de sac'.
[3:23:54 PM] Xeia: is going back to point zero...no movement forward
[3:23:57 PM] Xeia: no advancement
[3:24:18 PM] Tonyblue: There are a number of 'senses' here. But this one is shared on MOA in context, so I emphasized this 'translation'.
[3:25:01 PM] Tonyblue: Exactly, the nirvanists wish to go, where they already are on the soul-level as shards of the creator AbbaBaaB
[3:25:18 PM] Xeia: exactly...utterly ridiculous
[3:26:14 PM] Tonyblue: The Creator-creation wants BOTH, to express Ourselcves as wave AND as particle BodyMind as Particularised Wave and MindBody as a Waveform yet individualised
[3:26:32 PM] Xeia: we are both at the same time
[3:26:41 PM Tonyblue: This is the glory of the creator od creators to express hisher duality as a Oneness
[3:26:44 PM] Xeia: even while here in 3D
[3:27:21 PM] Tonyblue: Yes forever and ever
[3:28:26 PM] Tonyblue: The reason for the incarnations is the blending ofd the linear flow of time with the notime of the circular Now-time - to EXPERIENCE the creation as both creator and creation
[3:28:46 PM] Tonyblue: And the Old Human genome is the Master template to manifest this IN THE LINETIME
[3:29:07 PM] Tonyblue: in the Now-Time all is 'ok' at all moments
[3:29:29 PM] Tonyblue: Therefore the NABS ideas of timetravel and p;arallel universes and individual worlds
[3:29:44 PM] Tonyblue: It is the egocentricity of the waveform BEING everything see
[3:30:09 PM] Tonyblue: So the 'human ego' is a child growin g up, just as Bob dean says at the end of his interview
[3:30:54 PM] Xeia: he did yes
[3:31:04 PM] Xeia: an 'adolescent'
[3:31:30 PM] Tonyblue: So all those 'egomaniacs' 'running around on opld earth'; they are all 'natural' in expressing their waveforms
[3:31:48 PM] Tonyblue: But then the World Logos encompassed them all in becoming the Overwave lol
[3:32:03 PM] Xeia: you're funny TonyLove
[3:32:09 PM] Tonyblue: So all worlds and all universes and all timelines are SUBJECT to World Logos.
[3:32:35 PM] Tonyblue: And it does not matter if the 'wave shards' accept or believe or reject this information whatever.
[3:33:18 PM] Tonyblue: Its like your Body. It is a world onto itself for billoiuons of lifeforms, bacteria, microbes, viruses and so on
[3:33:38 PM] Tonyblue: Well I am sharing this on MOA, heaven and Spruz.
[3:33:40 PM] Xeia: it would be like asking the fetus if he accepts or believes of rejects the fact that he needs to leave the womb one day....
[3:33:48 PM] Tonyblue: As said soon I will not post anym ore on MOA
[3:34:01 PM] Tonyblue: They will have 'gotten rid' of me lol
[3:34:11 PM] Tonyblue: Before they ban me anyway
[3:34:27 PM] Xeia: you won't be
[3:34:36 PM] Xeia: they don't have a reason to
[3:34:58 PM] Xeia: even if they do...it doesn't matter anyway
[3:36:09 PM] Xeia: Thuban data is like that pregnant female in that chamber....
[3:36:30 PM] Tonyblue: Of course not. My work is done after Easter.
[3:37:02 PM] Xeia: a template
[3:37:23 PM] Xeia: it travels in hyperspace and it's available for all
[3:37:34 PM] Tonyblue: Oh yes fiery . Fencesitters abound and those will have a harder time to resonate with both the insemination, the pregancy and the birth of themselves. The few resonaters now will integrate much easier and the skeptics and dejectors will either experience their epiphanies of 'conversion' or 'repentance' or they will become a 'race of outcast' until they remember in the bifurcation of the Old Gaia and the New Gaia
[3:37:48 PM] Tonyblue: That is it.
[3:38:23 PM] Tonyblue: Yes, the Thuban data will be a memeplex travelling the galaxies, not just thios one. remeber the 'real Galactic federation?"?
[3:38:36 PM] Xeia: aye
[3:39:34 PM] Xeia: The Dragons boil their soup in their den, but the scent travels far far away...
[3:39:51 PM] Tonyblue: This one is in 12D and communicates with all galaxies. But Andromeda is the female 'bride'' for Perseus aka the Milky Way as a male and so this is from where 1st contact must come from and with the nearest starsystems as the 'stargates' and those are Sirus and Centauri.
[3:41:08 PM] Xeia: Andromeda.... *deep sigh*
[3:41:27 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: dude wait...um what?
[3:41:28 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol
[3:41:46 PM] Xeia: do you have a question?
[3:42:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: cant find the quote...about 31181512=E*REAB needing a dragon orgasm
[3:42:54 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: was just trying to see what the heck has happend
[3:42:56 PM] Xeia: only one would show her what sex really is
[3:43:59 PM] Tonyblue: Ok JT this is shared on MOA
[3:44:26 PM] Tonyblue: So choose your words carefully, please
[3:44:40 PM] Tonyblue: I might end it here then

[3:46:09 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well thanks for the warning in advance
[3:46:32 PM] Tonyblue: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p255-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#72048
[3:47:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i saw another plasma light ship do a flyby tonight... was really bright and this showed up when i was with a friend...almost as if to give some of the things i have been saying some credibility. SO that im not the only one seeing them around my town

Fri, Mar11, 2011 --- Tue, Mar20, 2012 = {Apr05&Aug30, 2011}=March Equinox 2012 at 23:21 UCT in Sendai Tsunami at 05:46 UCT;Timedelta =5:46-0:39=5:07 =307 minutes at 193 minutes or 3:13 at 20:47 UCT on Tuesday, Mar20, 2012 in the Activation of the Philadelphia Dragon Phoenix Flyer

Sat, Mar12, 2011 --- Mon, Mar19, 2012 = {Apr04&Aug29, 2011}
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Week#03=Sun, Mar13, 2011 --- Sun, Mar18, 2012 =Week#56=Gnosis Dragonomy Event Week#9* [9+59=68]* = {Apr03&Aug28, 2011}
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Mon, Mar14, 2011, 2011 --- Sat, Mar17, 2012 = Saint Patrick de Eire = {Apr02&Aug27, 2011}
Tue, Mar15, 2011 --- Fri, Mar16, 2012 = Ides of March 2011 = Calendrical Convergence Below to Above = {Apr01&Aug26, 2011}
Wed, Mar16, 2011 --- Thu, Mar15, 2012 = Ides of March 2012 = Calendrical Convergence Above to Below = {Mar31&Aug25, 2011}
Thu, Mar17, 2011 --- Wed, Mar14, 2012 = {Mar30&Aug24, 2011}
Fri, Mar18, 2011 --- Tue, Mar13, 2012 = {Mar29&Aug23, 2011}
Sat, Mar19, 2011 --- Mon, Mar12, 2012 = {Mar28&Aug22, 2011}
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Week#04=Sun, Mar20, 2011 --- Sun, Mar11, 2012 =Week#55=Gnosis Dragonomy Event Week#8* [8+59=67]=March Equinox 2011 at 17:32 UCT


Decoder Michael at 5:35 ( 11UCT) on Wednesday, March 21st, 2012 = 18:35 UCT (Tuesday, March 20th, 2012)

First posted at Log: "Tonyblue posted a reply on Thuban 101 in Thuban -101 forum"

3/20/2012 1:31:38 PM EDT = 17:31:38 UCT = 4:31:38 (+11UCT)

Magnitude 6.2
Date-Time

Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 17:56:19 UTC = 4:56:19 (+11UCT)
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 at 02:56:19 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 3.830°S, 140.220°E
Depth 66.9 km (41.6 miles)
Region PAPUA, INDONESIA
Distances 153 km (95 miles) SSW of Jayapura, Papua, Indonesia
173 km (107 miles) SW of Vanimo, New Guinea, PNG
1407 km (874 miles) NE of DARWIN, Northern Territory, Australia
3711 km (2305 miles) E of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

Magnitude 7.4-7.6
Date-Time

Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 18:02:48 UTC = 5:02:48 (+11UCT)
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 12:02:48 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 16.662°N, 98.188°W
Depth 20 km (12.4 miles)
Region OAXACA, MEXICO
Distances 136 km (84 miles) SSW of Huajuapan de Leon, Oaxaca, Mexico
162 km (100 miles) WSW of Oaxaca, Oaxaca, Mexico
170 km (105 miles) SE of Chilpancingo, Guerrero, Mexico
322 km (200 miles) SSE of MEXICO CITY, D.F., Mexico


ACAPULCO=72=WORLD=MONEY=TALENT=LAW LAW=36+36=666+999=699669={1+2+3+...+34+35+36}+{2²+3²+5²+7²+11²+13²+17²}
MEXICO=116=ETERNITY=INFINITY+10=DEBORAH+10+DEBORAH=5+53+53+5=58+58=STAR FATHER=104+12=123+LOVEJOY+ABC=ABBA+JERUSALEM+BAAB


Revelation 16:21 = 838 = 1(1)1
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
{7.4-7.6 and 11=20 is 11+11 & 11+12 & 11+13 is 24=888 as Epicenter}

PHOENIX=91=SPIRIT=MIRROR=SPACETIME with PHILADELPHIA=PHILA DE ALIHP=46+9+46=DOVE+I+BODY=101=MELCHIZEDEK



"Aliph De Aliph"

ABBA MELCHISEDEC=ADALUN CATIF=FADA LUNATIC=A DEBORAH DEATH=54+38=92
=ALPHA SUN=BRIDE LOVE=NOAH GABRIEL=38+54=6+86=92 = A DINAH BAAB IN ALL A

The lunatic’s house - La maison du fada



La maison du fada: that’s the local name for Le Corbusier’s famous – or infamous –unité d’habitation, or cité radieuse, in Marseille’s suburbs



John 14:1-3
¹Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

²In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

³And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Nostradamus: Century X, Quatrain 96

Religion du nom des mers vaincra,
Contre la secte fils Adaluncatif,
Secte obstinee deploree craindra,
Des deux blessex par Aleph & Aleph


The Religion of the name of the seas will overcome,
Against the sect of the son of Adaluncatif,
The obstinate lamented sect will fear
The two wounded by Aleph & Aleph.



PACIFICAP=48+16=64=ISRAEL=PETER=PACIFICA+P=P+ACIFICA+P=32+32=LIFECELL de Pacifica OmniScience La Paz of the Pacific de A&A=A&A*=A&Z=Alpha&Omega of the Witnesses for the LogosTwin JCCJ

1.Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

2.Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

3.Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

4.Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Carol wrote:

7.6 magnitude earthquake strike near Oaxaca Mexico

March 20, 2012 – Mexico City (CNN) — A 7.6-magnitude earthquake hit Mexico Tuesday, the U.S. Geological Survey said. The earthquake’s epicenter was about 15 miles (25 km) east of Ometepec, Guerrero, the agency said, and its depth was about 11 miles (17 km). The agency earlier reported the magnitude of the quake at 7.9, but later revised that figure. Residents rushed into the streets after feeling the temblor in Mexico City. Tourists and residents also felt the earthquake in the resort city of Acapulco. Mexican President Felipe Calderon said in a Twitter post that there were no immediate reports of serious damage. In Mexico City, Mayor Marcelo Ebrard sent tweets saying that there was no visible damage in the capital and that the sprawling city’s strategic services and water system were functioning. Regardless, he tweeted, numerous buildings were being evacuated. -CNN

Twin earthquakes rattle the globe on Spring Equinox
March 20, 2012 – WORLD – Two major earthquakes have struck the world within 6 minutes of each other. The earthquakes were a deep 6.2 magnitude earthquake near Papua, Indonesia and a much more shallow 7.6 magnitude earthquake which struck about 17.5 km (10.9 miles) deep near Oaxaca, Mexico. The Mexico earthquake’s epicenter was about 186 km (115 miles) from the popular resort area of Acapulco.

Carol wrote:Planet is ringing like a bell following Mexico 7.6 earthquake.

Translated by Thomas O. Lambdin

These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.


[1] And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

[2] Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

[3] Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

[4] Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."

[5] Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

[6] His disciples questioned him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How shall we pray? Shall we give alms? What diet shall we observe?"
Jesus said, "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered."

[7] Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

[8] And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

[9] Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered them. Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up. Others fell on the rock, did not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others fell on thorns; they choked the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil and it produced good fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure."

[10] Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

[11] Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

[12] The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?"
Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

[13] Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."

[14] Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."

[15] Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

[16] Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary."

[17] Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

[18] The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

[19] Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

(20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of heaven is like."
He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

(23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

(24) His disciples said to him, "Show us the place where you are, since it is necessary for us to seek it."
He said to them, "Whoever has ears, let him hear. There is light within a man of light, and he lights up the whole world. If he does not shine, he is darkness."

(25) Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him like the pupil of your eye."

(26) Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother's eye."

(27) "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

(28) Jesus said, "I took my place in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in flesh. I found all of them intoxicated; I found none of them thirsty. And my soul became afflicted for the sons of men, because they are blind in their hearts and do not have sight; for empty they came into the world, and empty too they seek to leave the world. But for the moment they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine, then they will repent."

(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

(30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

...

(110) Jesus said, "Whoever finds the world and becomes rich, let him renounce the world."

(111) Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up in your presence. And the one who lives from the living one will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Whoever finds himself is superior to the world?"

(112) Jesus said, "Woe to the flesh that depends on the soul; woe to the soul that depends on the flesh."

(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

The Gospel
According to Thomas

Selection made from James M. Robinson, ed., The Nag Hammadi Library, revised edition. HarperCollins, San Francisco, 1990.



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[8:52:50 PM--Friday, March 23rd, 2012 - (+11UCT)] Tonyblue: Look at the chart at the gens bottom right
[8:53:03 PM] Tonyblue: MI is all of them of course'
[8:53:25 PM] Tonyblue: MIIM is undivided FatherMother as the NEW Grandparents cosmic
[8:53:37 PM] Tonyblue: Abba=Baab
[8:53:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: right
[8:54:00 PM] Tonyblue: You understand this yes?
[8:54:16 PM] Tonyblue: The undivided divides and rejoins in 2
[8:54:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i think so
[8:54:51 PM Tonyblue: FatherMother=Father+Mother=JC+MM=MI+IM=Adam+Eve say in 4 gens
[8:55:56 PM] Tonyblue: So because JCCJ=ABBABAAB undivided, once they rejoin in dragonomy ABBABAAB=ABBA+BAAB as new 1st generation FatherMother=Grandpa+Grandma from Father+Mother from Son+Daughter from Grandson+Granddaughter
[8:56:15 PM] Tonyblue: Father+Mother=Code for Joseph+Mary
[8:56:33 PM] Tonyblue: Why Mary is the VIRGIN silly humans
[8:56:49 PM] Tonyblue: NOT physically but archetypical template
[8:56:51 PM] Tonyblue: So easy
[8:57:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes makes sense
[8:57:34 PM] Tonyblue: Good
[8:57:53 PM] Tonyblue: FastherMother cannot have sex
[8:58:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: no because they are one
[8:58:12 PM] Tonyblue: So to have sex Father splits from Mother
[8:58:15 PM] Ishtara Raven: not split yet
[8:58:44 PM] Tonyblue: But the 3D Joseph cannot reproduce ABBA as image see
[8:59:02 PM] Tonyblue: Only Mary as Eve Image of Adam can be the mirror of mirrors here
[8:59:15 PM] Ishtara Raven: right because he has no true mother either
[8:59:26 PM] Tonyblue: So EVE inside MUST become a Virgin Lover in 3D for a real lover in 12D inside-outside
[8:59:38 PM] Tonyblue: You must think about it to understand this
[9:00:07 PM] Tonyblue: It is the rib of Adam the NOT independence of Eve in Eden then becomes Independence in Earth
[9:00:24 PM] Tonyblue: So Adam loses his true image of Heaven-Heaven see
[9:00:38 PM] Tonyblue: All the Bigmo Balloon
[9:00:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[9:00:57 PM] Tonyblue: Well you perhaps have an idea
[9:01:07 PM] Tonyblue: You might not get it yet properly
[9:01:20 PM] Tonyblue: Heaven|Heaven is the true image see
[9:01:29 PM] Tonyblue: Heaven|Earth is not
[9:01:37 PM] Tonyblue: Why Adam and Eve are 'banned'
[9:01:55 PM] Tonyblue: So Eve being a False Image in heaven becomes the True Image on Earth
[9:02:08 PM] Tonyblue: In Heavcen Adam is true and Eve is false
[9:02:16 PM] Tonyblue: On Earth Eve is true and Adam is false
[9:02:30 PM] Tonyblue: Because Eve is a double image of Abba, but a single Image of Baab as Creation Image of the Creator
[9:02:45 PM] Tonyblue: Being flesh of Adam and SO is Adam (in mind)
[9:02:52 PM] Tonyblue: Now you can get it
[9:03:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: i understand all that, but not sure what you think i am missing?
[9:04:16 PM] Tonyblue: This then is the malemindedness as waveform being ok but the bodyform of Adam being fake and vice versa. Eve has the correct body but the fake mind
[9:04:30 PM] Tonyblue: Nothing if you do
[9:05:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: so the switch is the ascension of Eves fake mind for the decension of her real mind
[9:05:40 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[9:06:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: and for adam its the ascension of his fake body for the decension of his real body
[9:06:20 PM] Tonyblue: This is just the Adam and Eve in Heaven and on Earth see - Genesis.
[9:06:35 PM] Tonyblue: Now you got it. This is the story of the chart
[9:06:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: but only an Eve can birth this because she is the only true body double image.
[9:06:48 PM] Tonyblue: YES
[9:07:20 PM] Tonyblue: Why the creation is female and the people talk of Mother Earth and not Father Earth. Father Sky is the Mind and Mother Earth is the Body.
[9:07:33 PM] Tonyblue: On all levels and the deepest archetypes and symbols
[9:07:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i understand the archetypes, the mindwave is cannot be doubled, its everwhere
[9:07:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: in everything
[9:07:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: but the bodyform can
[9:08:00 PM] Tonyblue: Again I should share this
[9:08:19 PM] Tonyblue: Yes but the bodies are scattered and this is what they call ego
[9:08:57 PM] Tonyblue: The ego knows it is the 'only one' and so competes but it fails to understand its wavenature where all is one and unified
[9:09:31 PM] Tonyblue: So the wave-particle quantum duality is the mind-body dichotomy of Descartes
[9:09:42 PM] Tonyblue: That easy
[9:09:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: This is why Jesus says in GOT 114:

(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."


[9:10:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: She needs to become male to ascend her fake mind
[9:10:11 PM] Tonyblue: Jesus KNEW that he was a wave as He-Adam and a body particular an individual as a She-Eve
[9:10:32 PM] Tonyblue: Therefore he could change the universal matrix of spacetime energy
[9:10:41 PM] Tonyblue: Through hisher comnsciousness
[9:10:47 PM] Tonyblue: And selfawareness
[9:11:04 PM] Tonyblue: Yes absolutely. This is the correct decoding

A shared message from a friend of Thuban and a dragon brother on the journey home, who is a member and contributor on many forums.


Greetings and Salutations old friend!


Perhaps you could share with me one last time before we embark on our journey.... i realized very early on from studying your material that your works would not require the boasting of or recognition that it deserved. The selflessness had become a deafening silence. I thought about interceding on a few occasions but knew you did not require my pat on the back as I wanted to give you so many times.

So having said that, after years of searching for answers, to this day you have been by far the greatest teacher i have ever had. and all though i still have much to learn, I will hold your teachings in the highest regard.

so, april 1st through December 21st.... it is during this time that our light bodies can be attained correct? I might be using that phrase incorrectly... Im thinking of the image of a man with butterfly wings.... but does this mean we can encompass our 3d bodies as well as our higher dimensional selves simultaneously? or at will? forgive me for asking such curious questions. I cant help but wonder. I suppose i shall have to focus on my own self in order for me to understand what will be required of me in order to do so. Thank you for telling people exactly what they need to hear... i hope they have the will to listen...and at least contemplate. i do wish we could have all have met each other in person. it would have been nice to sit and share space with one another. perhaps our light bodies will run in to each other. if you get yours before me.... it would be ok to visit me ;)-codename 48


Dear Agent 48!

Thank you for your feedback and indeed you have discerned a much deeper agenda, than which is apparent on the surface of this 'Thuban label', which has become and evolved into a formidable memeplex to counter a millenia old background matrix of separation and disunity of 'parties' and 'factions' which are actually interwoven or quantum entangled on its deeper level of manifestation.

There are only 3 recent and future nexus dates which are definitive as general markers for the cosmic metamorphosis Agent 48.

The first one was July 10th, 2011 the second one is April 1st, 2012 and the third one is December 21st, 2012.



A previously posted message desribes this as this:

Agent 5043 wrote:Thuban Fleet.........

Had a small little session today that involved this fleet. They are on their way alright. But regretfully won't get here.

Mother also said she never invited them or their agenda.

Then to top all this off, I was given a package of energy to sample. The energy sample was "like" along the lines of a devil worshiper doing a ritual to draw in an evil spirit and when the evil spirit finally came through, it basically decapitated the worshiper.

So maybe what doors you have opened is going to bite your butt when it gets here type of thing. But then again, if your fleet doesn't get here what are you going to do next?

To give credit where it is due..... you guys never give up. But in case you haven't been paying attention, certain entities are not going to stand there and watch some Thuban fleet to come into this solar system to hijack another system. Let's just say our solar system has grown some balls over night and what used to be so easy to do in the past won't be so easy to do in the future. The arrogance always acts like it forgot something. That something also has a higher purpose that can't be molded by anything on the outside of itself since the Creator gave breath to it with a thought. That original thought is what the arrogance has forgotten. Notice I didn't throw in any complicated math in there.

I also was shown all this recently so I am sharing it with you since it concerns your group and I do hope you choose wisely as to what you expect might be a grand disappointment. All I know is that this Solar System is on a different path than the
path of a hijacking dragon mindset. That old hijacking system decorated as a wonderful mysterious seductive piece of " " isn't going to work like before. This solar system has woken up and many other factions are also going to find out the hard way. But don't take my word for it. And I mean that. Good luck researching this out. If you try to do that, you won't need the math to do so. Just a helpful hint.

Namaste'

Aye aye aye!

Those smart humanoids in their sentry positions and with their penetrating scanning instruments again. We just cannot avoid and escape their brilliant discernments regarding our clandestine intentions and sinister agendas.


The humans have discovered one of our draconian timelines in their divers preponderances. Like when they matched their spacecraft retirements to time the Shadow Birth of the return of the Plumed Serpent on December 21st, 2012 -December 23rd, 2012 in the Thompson-Lounsbury Variation of their calendrical calibrations.

There are 265-267 Days of Gestation of the Thuban pregnancy in forward time and there are 265-267 days of Pregnancy in backwards time.
July 8th - July 10th, 2011-------(265-267)-------March 31st - April 1st, 2012-------(265-267)-------December 21st - December 23rd, 2012.

And so Atlantis becomes the Final Frontier for the human redundancies in their efforts to visit and colonise Dragonian Hyperspace.
Atlantis Rising from its depths of slumbers and encumbrances indeed!

Agent 5043 wrote: Mocking me is not exactly intelligent.

Also, I shared this with you as to what I was informed. Who informed me showed me straight up as to how the fleet scenario would unfold. If you guys are so connected as you claim, then please by all means see if you can sort this out for yourselves. I didn't come here to fight you. Or you can continue to use the silly paint brushes and complex math to give you the superiority mindset to continue to insult whatever life force you might be addressing. It matters not to me how you go about seeking the truth of this matter. I just wanted to point it out to you and that is all. Do with it as you wish.

Sentry?? You bet!

Whoki Nal represents one of our frontier scouts manoevering explorer ships from the Pacificap Cocoon Mothership. Heshe was advised to subdue his plasmic photon manifestations above a certain HQ of the humanoid elitists and controlleurs.



As of 24Jun2008, an old Humanity has entered its Cocoon to begin its Metamorphosis into a new Starhuman Papillon or Butterfly-DOG and as GOD's (Primal Source) 'Best Friend', offspring, cosmogenetic inheritors and Family.


Old 'Caterpillar' Humanity is required to grow Wings, to transform its nature from a 'verocious' annihilator of its environments in search for 'food' into a subtle selfidentification as a fertilising and pollinating 'Butterfly' of a New Starhumanity.



This and related sites around the globe address this human transformation in a profound manner, which unifies and harmonises the divers thought systems and philosophies hitherto invented and discovered by a collective humanity, searching for its purpose of being incarnate upon Gaia during these times of transition.

The 'ancient wingmakers' are also the 'Original Cosmic Intelligence' encompassingly known as the 'Ancient Ones' and whose phenomenal existence requires elucidation in its scientific and metaphysical origins and purposes. The answers are found in a precursive metaphysics for a physics of the quantum and how the smallest realms of the subatomic nature of superstrings and supermembranes relate as holofractals to the macroworlds from bacteria to clusters of galaxies and the universe as encompassing and unified entity and as the 'Goddess' Aphrodite or the 'Body of the Cosmic Mother' as the archetypical Eve as ambassadora for Barbelo as the cosmic womb.

Aphrodite is also Venus and the Star of the Mornings and Evenings {Revelation.2.28;22.16; 2Peter.1.19} as Lucifer, Quetzacoatl or Kukulkan of various ancient scrolls and texts of interrelated cultures. SheHe is also known as Lucifera as 'A Lucifer' and as Satanina as 'In A Satan' and as Serpentina as 'In A Serpent' as the Old Gaia encompassed by the Ouroboros, the Galactic Serpent Hunab Ku aka Milky Way aka Perseus and transforming into the New Gaia Serpentina as a StarPlanet.






In 23,616 BC, an ET-message:"I Love You!" was sent by Hunab Ku, from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy to the heart of Gaia, arriving 21Dec2012 after travelling 9,360,000 kin at lightspeed.

On August 4th, 2013 and December 16th, 2013 particular 'timelines' will reach their archetypical (and encoded or prophecied) completion to culminate on New Year 2014 in the addition of 1 Hour as 15 days {360/24=15/1} in an archetyped 'New World'.
From these nexus dates onwards; a new physical reality will be able to manifest in universal reconfiguration, due to the redefinition of the older symbols.





The content of this site is however not directed to only interest the professional scientist, researcher or enthusiast in cosmology; but is attempted to embrace any reader of some philosophical orientation. This should become evident in a perusal of those parts on this site, which are not suffused by multitudinous formulas and symbolisms (see survey on the Cosmic Identity).



The information and data on this site is FREEWARE and intended to benefit both the individuals who find utility for it and the human grouptype in general. It is a cosmic legacy of sorts, provided as SHAREWARE by a perennial omni-science or gnosis, say a 'wisdom of the ancients' and so not subject to 'ownership' or patentability of any kind.

There is nothing to sell on this site and all the information can be freely copied and distributed in any form or manner without acknowledgement of the author.
(Perhaps whoever uses this data base is a coauthor by default anyway and therefore cannot infringe copyright? The concerning and insightful reader might come to this conclusion!).

As there is such a great amount of misinformation, both scientific or philosophical or otherwise on the internet; this site will necessarily appear to be semantically specialised and mathematical on a first perception.
And indeed, the serious investigator will indeed encounter a logical and selfconsistent derivation of formulations and correspondences. Many such professionals or well-informed theoreticians and experimenters would quickly find their own scientific and ontological endeavours somewhat reflected in degrees in the content and topics addressed.

The sites are:

1. http://www.themistsofavalon.net
2. http://www.thuban101.com
3. http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org
4. http://www.flightoftheraven.com
5. http://www.cosmosdawn.com

A shared message from a friend of Thuban and a dragon brother on the journey home, who is a member and contributor on many forums.


Greetings and Salutations old friend!


Perhaps you could share with me one last time before we embark on our journey.... i realized very early on from studying your material that your works would not require the boasting of or recognition that it deserved. The selflessness had become a deafening silence. I thought about interceding on a few occasions but knew you did not require my pat on the back as I wanted to give you so many times.

So having said that, after years of searching for answers, to this day you have been by far the greatest teacher i have ever had. and all though i still have much to learn, I will hold your teachings in the highest regard.

so, april 1st through December 21st.... it is during this time that our light bodies can be attained correct? I might be using that phrase incorrectly... Im thinking of the image of a man with butterfly wings.... but does this mean we can encompass our 3d bodies as well as our higher dimensional selves simultaneously? or at will? forgive me for asking such curious questions. I cant help but wonder. I suppose i shall have to focus on my own self in order for me to understand what will be required of me in order to do so. Thank you for telling people exactly what they need to hear... i hope they have the will to listen...and at least contemplate. i do wish we could have all have met each other in person. it would have been nice to sit and share space with one another. perhaps our light bodies will run in to each other. if you get yours before me.... it would be ok to visit me -codename 48





Dear Agent 48!

Thank you for your feedback and indeed you have discerned a much deeper agenda, than which is apparent on the surface of this 'Thuban label', which has become and evolved into a formidable memeplex to counter a millenia old background matrix of separation and disunity of 'parties' and 'factions' which are actually interwoven or quantum entangled on its deeper level of manifestation.

There are only 3 recent and future nexus dates which are definitive as general markers for the cosmic metamorphosis Agent 48.

The first one was July 10th, 2011 the second one is April 1st, 2012 and the third one is December 21st, 2012.


A previously posted message desribes this as this:

Agent 5043 wrote:Thuban Fleet.........

Had a small little session today that involved this fleet. They are on their way alright. But regretfully won't get here.

Mother also said she never invited them or their agenda.

Then to top all this off, I was given a package of energy to sample. The energy sample was "like" along the lines of a devil worshiper doing a ritual to draw in an evil spirit and when the evil spirit finally came through, it basically decapitated the worshiper.

So maybe what doors you have opened is going to bite your butt when it gets here type of thing. But then again, if your fleet doesn't get here what are you going to do next?

To give credit where it is due..... you guys never give up. But in case you haven't been paying attention, certain entities are not going to stand there and watch some Thuban fleet to come into this solar system to hijack another system. Let's just say our solar system has grown some balls over night and what used to be so easy to do in the past won't be so easy to do in the future. The arrogance always acts like it forgot something. That something also has a higher purpose that can't be molded by anything on the outside of itself since the Creator gave breath to it with a thought. That original thought is what the arrogance has forgotten. Notice I didn't throw in any complicated math in there.

I also was shown all this recently so I am sharing it with you since it concerns your group and I do hope you choose wisely as to what you expect might be a grand disappointment. All I know is that this Solar System is on a different path than the
path of a hijacking dragon mindset. That old hijacking system decorated as a wonderful mysterious seductive piece of " " isn't going to work like before. This solar system has woken up and many other factions are also going to find out the hard way. But don't take my word for it. And I mean that. Good luck researching this out. If you try to do that, you won't need the math to do so. Just a helpful hint.

Namaste'

Aye aye aye!

Those smart humanoids in their sentry positions and with their penetrating scanning instruments again. We just cannot avoid and escape their brilliant discernments regarding our clandestine intentions and sinister agendas.

The humans have discovered one of our draconian timelines in their divers preponderances. Like when they matched their spacecraft retirements to time the Shadow Birth of the return of the Plumed Serpent on December 21st, 2012 -December 23rd, 2012 in the Thompson-Lounsbury Variation of their calendrical calibrations.

There are 265-267 Days of Gestation of the Thuban pregnancy in forward time and there are 265-267 days of Pregnancy in backwards time.
July 8th - July 10th, 2011-------(265-267)-------March 31st - April 1st, 2012-------(265-267)-------December 21st - December 23rd, 2012.

And so Atlantis becomes the Final Frontier for the human redundancies in their efforts to visit and colonise Dragonian Hyperspace.
Atlantis Rising from its depths of slumbers and encumbrances indeed!

Agent 5043 wrote: Mocking me is not exactly intelligent.

Also, I shared this with you as to what I was informed. Who informed me showed me straight up as to how the fleet scenario would unfold. If you guys are so connected as you claim, then please by all means see if you can sort this out for yourselves. I didn't come here to fight you. Or you can continue to use the silly paint brushes and complex math to give you the superiority mindset to continue to insult whatever life force you might be addressing. It matters not to me how you go about seeking the truth of this matter. I just wanted to point it out to you and that is all. Do with it as you wish.

Sentry?? You bet!

Whoki Nal represents one of our frontier scouts manoevering explorer ships from the Pacificap Cocoon Mothership. Heshe was advised to subdue his plasmic photon manifestations above a certain HQ of the humanoid elitists and controlleurs.





As of 24Jun2008, an old Humanity has entered its Cocoon to begin its Metamorphosis into a new Starhuman Papillon or Butterfly-DOG and as GOD's (Primal Source) 'Best Friend', offspring, cosmogenetic inheritors and Family.

Old 'Caterpillar' Humanity is required to grow Wings, to transform its nature from a 'verocious' annihilator of its environments in search for 'food' into a subtle selfidentification as a fertilising and pollinating 'Butterfly' of a New Starhumanity.

This and related sites around the globe address this human transformation in a profound manner, which unifies and harmonises the divers thought systems and philosophies hitherto invented and discovered by a collective humanity, searching for its purpose of being incarnate upon Gaia during these times of transition.

The 'ancient wingmakers' are also the 'Original Cosmic Intelligence' encompassingly known as the 'Ancient Ones' and whose phenomenal existence requires elucidation in its scientific and metaphysical origins and purposes. The answers are found in a precursive metaphysics for a physics of the quantum and how the smallest realms of the subatomic nature of superstrings and supermembranes relate as holofractals to the macroworlds from bacteria to clusters of galaxies and the universe as encompassing and unified entity and as the 'Goddess' Aphrodite or the 'Body of the Cosmic Mother' as the archetypical Eve as ambassadora for Barbelo as the cosmic womb.

Aphrodite is also Venus and the Star of the Mornings and Evenings {Revelation.2.28;22.16; 2Peter.1.19} as Lucifer, Quetzacoatl or Kukulkan of various ancient scrolls and texts of interrelated cultures. SheHe is also known as Lucifera as 'A Lucifer' and as Satanina as 'In A Satan' and as Serpentina as 'In A Serpent' as the Old Gaia encompassed by the Ouroboros, the Galactic Serpent Hunab Ku aka Milky Way aka Perseus and transforming into the New Gaia Serpentina as a StarPlanet.





In 23,616 BC, an ET-message:"I Love You!" was sent by Hunab Ku, from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy to the heart of Gaia, arriving 21Dec2012 after travelling 9,360,000 kin at lightspeed.

On August 4th, 2013 and December 16th, 2013 particular 'timelines' will reach their archetypical (and encoded or prophecied) completion to culminate on New Year 2014 in the addition of 1 Hour as 15 days {360/24=15/1} in an archetyped 'New World'.
From these nexus dates onwards; a new physical reality will be able to manifest in universal reconfiguration, due to the redefinition of the older symbols.





The content of this site is however not directed to only interest the professional scientist, researcher or enthusiast in cosmology; but is attempted to embrace any reader of some philosophical orientation. This should become evident in a perusal of those parts on this site, which are not suffused by multitudinous formulas and symbolisms (see survey on the Cosmic Identity).

The information and data on this and linked sites is FREEWARE and intended to benefit both the individuals who find utility for it and the human grouptype in general. It is a cosmic legacy of sorts, provided as SHAREWARE by a perennial omni-science or gnosis, say a 'wisdom of the ancients' and so not subject to 'ownership' or patentability of any kind.

There is nothing to sell on this site and all the information can be freely copied and distributed in any form or manner without acknowledgement of the author.
(Perhaps whoever uses this data base is a coauthor by default anyway and therefore cannot infringe copyright? The concerning and insightful reader might come to this conclusion!).

As there is such a great amount of misinformation, both scientific or philosophical or otherwise on the internet; this site will necessarily appear to be semantically specialised and mathematical on a first perception.
And indeed, the serious investigator will indeed encounter a logical and selfconsistent derivation of formulations and correspondences. Many such professionals or well-informed theoreticians and experimenters would quickly find their own scientific and ontological endeavours somewhat reflected in degrees in the content and topics addressed.

The sites are:

1. http://www.themistsofavalon.net
2. http://www.thuban101.com
3. http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org
4. http://www.flightoftheraven.com
5. http://www.cosmosdawn.com







Nehemiah 13
¹On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;


[22/03/2012 9:05:42 PM-March 22nd, 2012 (+11UCT)] Ishtara Raven: tony who are the ammonites and moabites?
[22/03/2012 9:06:15 PM] Tonyblue: I have not decoded this in detail it are simply the 'cursed' generations
[22/03/2012 9:06:25 PM] Tonyblue: Like certain Sodom and Gommorrah genes etc, described elsewhere
[22/03/2012 9:06:35 PM] Tonyblue: MOABITES=MOA-bites lol
[22/03/2012 9:06:38 PM] Tonyblue: Get it?
[22/03/2012 9:06:44 PM] Tonyblue: Mist of Avalon
[22/03/2012 9:06:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol yes i got it
[22/03/2012 9:07:02 PM] Tonyblue: Ammonites refer to Mammon of course Money BS
[22/03/2012 9:07:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: but is that scripture true though that these ammonites and moabites will never come into the congregation of god?
[22/03/2012 9:07:24 PM] Tonyblue: Its fake images yes
[22/03/2012 9:07:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok
[22/03/2012 9:07:35 PM] Tonyblue: Lake of Fire now manifested in the Phoenix
[22/03/2012 9:07:43 PM] Tonyblue: Eternal damnation lol
[22/03/2012 9:07:49 PM] Tonyblue: WITHIN dragonomies
[22/03/2012 9:08:04 PM] Tonyblue: It simply shows the indivisibility of the LogosTwin

I did some analysis on the Moabites and the Ammonites. Actually, there are three and including the Edomites.

Daniel 11
⁴¹He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.


MOAB = OM+AB = 28+3 = 31 = CHIEF = 3+8+9+5+6 = 31

EDOM= OM+DE = 28+9= 37=31+6

AMMON= OM+AMN = OM+MO = 28+28=56 = IS+SI = OMMO=MOOM=ISIS=ISSI=SIIS = 31+6+19 = 31+6+I+1+I=37+9+1+9

ABCDEFGHIJKLM---{MIRROR of this Alphabet}---NOPQRSTUVWXYZ divides the 26 letters into two halves of 13+13=26 and with A+M=AM=1+13=14=N and the I=9 also denoting the beginning or 'alpha' of the sequence in A=1=9=I.

This defines the statement: "I AM 23 = I AM W" from "I AM 13 = I AM M" in the Identity "AM 13"="I AM 3" in '1=8" or "A=H" in the construction of the 'holy names' of YHWHY as a fivetiered pentagonal palindrome before its distorted tetragrammaton version of YHWH.

Then MOAB=31=CHIEF and perhaps reflecting the MOA forum to be the only 'survivor' of the 'Thuban memeplex' invasion.

MOAB+EDOM+AMMON=31+37+56=124=106+18=INFINITY+666=INFINITY+R and where the letter 'R' is ubiquituously encoded in the 'Holy Grail' NABS of the 'da Vinci codes' and derivatives. It is also the 666 of the apocalypse of course.

The link to Thuban is of course the overall basic 'Flood prophecy', which 'swallows' the Old World and allows a new covenant to be made in the 'Rainbow Covenant' between 'Creator God' and Noah. The messenger of NOAH=30=ARK are of course the RAVEN=60=WORD and the DOVE=46=BODY, symbolising the 'New Land Appearing' as a 'New World'.

NOAH+ARK=RAVEN=WORD=30+30=60

RAVEN=WORD=60=31+29=MOAB+29=MOAB+OM+1=OM+ABA+MO=OMABAMO=OBAMA OM in a perfect palindrome then disjointed in an actual 3D political context of the 'Words'.

EDOM+MOAB+AMMON = OMOMOMOM+AB.DE=124=I LOVE YOU = COMPASSION = 62+62= QUEEN QUEEN

The mirror of the 'missing' C=3=SEE=29=11=2=SEA=25=7 so adds 3 as "I am 3" or 29 as "I SEE" or 25 as "I am the SEA" (or Mirror) to the three names and including the 'Chief of the 31'.

The 'papal court' is called the 'Holy SEE' and generally the dioceses or jurisdictions of bishops and archbishops are known as 'Sees' to correlate (or fake or mimick) the 'SEAS' or Oceans as 'Land or Realm or Kingdom'.

So you have three mirror codes as RAVEN+ARK+DOVE=60+30+46=136=106+30=INFINITY+NOAH=(RAVENDOVE)+BREAD

Also EDOM=37=46-9=DOVE-I and so the EDOMites are 'saved' in the master code, despite being 'damned' or 'cursed' in the older translation 'before the flood' in the 'Old World' here meaning the historical geography about the Middle East, when the 'books' were written and composed {Nehemiah dates to about 420 BC}.

CHIEF=MOAB=31=40-9=MIND-I=DAVID-I , with David as the first king or chief of Israel and so AMMON=OM+OM=MAN+MAN=WE+ME+10=28+18+10=56 as the encompassing archetype harbouring the CHIEF=MOAB=31 as 56-25=AMMON-SEA and so the Mirror of the 'C'.

Therefore, AMMON=CHIEF+SEA=31+25=56 and it is the CHIEF of MOAB as the CHIEF of AMMON as the Children of the Deliverance from the 'shattered' mirror, which shall survive the destruction of the false images in the 'Lake of Fire and Brimstone' also encoded as the 'millstone of the angel' in Reveation and the 'spiritual rock' in Daniel, which destroys the SEA as a Mirror of Illusions.

It is obvious in the below encodings regarding the 'SEA", that this SEA is not a lake or an ocean, but a mirror of sorts. Because only believers in fantasies of supernatural realms, would envisage a planet or universe as a 'New World' promised, but without water present. The GODG=MAN and the MAGOG=WOMAN in the 'Lake of Fire and Brimstone' of the Dragonomies and as previously detailed.

Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Daniel 2:34-35
³⁴Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

³⁵Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Revelation 19:19-21 (KJV)
¹⁹And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
²⁰And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
²¹And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Revelation 20
¹And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
²And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
³And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
⁴And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
⁵But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
⁶Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
⁷And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
⁸And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
⁹And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
¹⁰And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
¹¹And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
¹²And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
¹³And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
¹⁴And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
¹⁵And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Daniel 2
¹And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
²Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.
³And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.
⁴Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation.
⁵The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill.
⁶But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.
⁷They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it.
⁸The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see the thing is gone from me.
⁹But if ye will not make known unto me the dream, there is but one decree for you: for ye have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak before me, till the time be changed: therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation thereof.
¹⁰The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.
¹¹And it is a rare thing that the king requireth, and there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh.
¹²For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.
¹³And the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain; and they sought Daniel and his fellows to be slain.
¹⁴Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom to Arioch the captain of the king's guard, which was gone forth to slay the wise men of Babylon:
¹⁵He answered and said to Arioch the king's captain, Why is the decree so hasty from the king? Then Arioch made the thing known to Daniel.
¹⁶Then Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation.
¹⁷Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions:
¹⁸That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.
¹⁹Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
²⁰Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
²¹And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
²²He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
²³I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
²⁴Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.
²⁵Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste, and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.
²⁶The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?
²⁷Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
²⁸But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
²⁹As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
³⁰But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
³¹Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
³²This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
³³His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
³⁴Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
³⁵Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
³⁶This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
³⁷Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
³⁸And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
³⁹And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
⁴⁰And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
⁴¹And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
⁴²And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
⁴³And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
⁴⁴And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
⁴⁵Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
⁴⁶Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. ⁴⁷The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
⁴⁸Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.
⁴⁹Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel sat in the gate of the king.


Daniel 11
¹Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
²And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
³And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
⁴And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.
⁵And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion.
⁶And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.
⁷But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:
⁸And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.
⁹So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.
¹⁰But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.
¹¹And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand.
¹²And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it.
¹³For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.
¹⁴And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
¹⁵So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
¹⁶But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
¹⁷He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
¹⁸After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
¹⁹Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
²⁰Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
²¹And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
²²And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
²³And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
²⁴He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
²⁵And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
²⁶Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
²⁷And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
²⁸Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
²⁹At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
³⁰For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
³¹And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
³²And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
³³And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
³⁴Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
³⁵And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
³⁶And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
³⁷Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
³⁸But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
³⁹Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
⁴⁰And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
⁴¹He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
⁴²He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
⁴³But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
⁴⁴But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
⁴⁵And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Carol wrote:

The Eternal Balance of Being


For all those who have felt abandoned, having known love and lost it, there will be a time of reuniting and consolation. For those who have held on tight to a human hand in the darkness only to feel it slip away; for all those wounded hearts there will be many hands that surround and embrace and offer their hands with reassurance that it was all just a dream and nothing more.

Memories like these will fade with the rising sun and one will feel refreshed and hopeful.

For those who have felt they missed the picnic, there will be a banquet and the very atmosphere will be scented with jubilation. Those who have suffered injustices and felt the seed of love has grown dormant within them; who heart has come to feel like a lead weight, there will be a germination and a blooming until the soul resembles a garden.

For the ones who have sat in the corner feeling unloved and ugly, scared and damaged, like broken dolls tossed on the trash heap, without a doubt they will look in the mirror of their own soul and see that was a costume they wore to the party where they pretended to be hideous for the most hideous mask hides the most beautiful of beings. Those will laugh to see it was their distorted and broken mirror and only that was seen.

When you stepped through the mirror into this world, you stepped into a world where everything is seen in reverse. This was part of the plan, for you to learn to learn to let your heart lead instead of your eyes, to educate the deeper part of yourself by putting on the blindfold and boldly stepping through the mirror into the unknown.

Do not wait to step through the mirror to awaken from your slumber. You can do it while still in costume and mask. You can peer through the reverse mirror and see that all I have said in the foregoing will occur, not because your mind says it will but because your heart feels it is right and will happen. Those hands on the other side of the mirror are always reaching out as a support for you, but you have to look deep into the mirror to see them.

And when you step through the mirror once again you will have learned what a physical life can be, just as the waking person wonders what the dreamer dreams about. You will no longer guess for you will know, and as the dark times and dark dreams slip away only love-light of the One Infinite Creator remains.

Tree Hugger
(thanks to Andrea Bochelli's Panis Angelicus for inspiration)




Excellent Thread Carol and with many parallels with the messages from the Thuban Forums!
We term it the harmony between the 'Thinking SheHe Heart' of Sophia's Understanding and the 'Feeling HeShe Mind' of Nous's Wisdom and in reversal of the standard 'Thinking Male Mind' and the 'Feeling Female Heart', so bridging the divide between the Eastern Intuition and the Western Analysis in a standard generalisation of the words of descriptions.

Then upon a successful synergy of the thinking heart with the feeling mind, the "impossibilities of descriptions" of the Eastern Tao, as well as the "unprovabilities of the 'spirit'" of the Western 'Scientific Method' are 'overcome' in complimentary synchronisations.

Thank You for sharing!


http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t4174p45-the-heart-s-code#72291

Carol wrote:Thank you Tony for your insights, kindness and response. This was written by my soul sister/friend who passed last month. We were the same age. She too was recovering from pneumonia and ended up with a blood clot that took her life. In honor of her spirit and all she meant to so many, I'm reposting her words of wisdom to share with others here.

Dear Carol!

Thank You for your appropriate tribute here and allow me to give a tribute to your cosmic sister on behalf of the Elders from Thuban.

Since Sunday, February 26th, the following encoded scripture has been fulfilled and a consequence of the 'Works which follow the dead alives one' from that nexus point reflect your tributes from Tree Hugger.

There is a codename for Tree Hugger and this name can be, amongst many other namings, translated as 484066 or THE NAME TREE JUDE and FREEDOM VEIL DAVID FREEDOM and LIVE MIND WOMAN.

Revelation.14.9-16:
⁹And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
¹⁰The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
¹¹And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
¹²Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

¹³And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

¹⁴And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
¹⁵And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
¹⁶And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

[6:40:54 AM-Friday, March 30th, 2012 --( 11UCT)] Ishtara Raven: 3-29-2012
I dreamed I was at the crucifixion and witnessing it over and over, I saw Jesus on the cross but there was no blood on him. It kept going backwards and forwards from his time on the Mount of Olives to the scene of the cross and I was focused on his face the whole time. He was speaking to all of us silently, almost telepathically. I got the feeling that Tony, James, Rok, Xeia and I were there…DCD was not there that I felt. He was dressed on the cross in a white linen Robe and he was standing on it not hanging or nailed to it. I did not see the nails in his hands or feet and no blood or crown of thorns. I don’t remember all that he said, it was mostly emotional, telepathic. In the end just before I woke up he said out loud to all of us, the Kerr ring is 98 and 99. I have no idea what that means but he must have wanted me to remember because he repeated it. I woke up exactly at 12:00 pm to the dog barking…she rarely barks.

[2:52:27 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[2:52:58 PM] Tonyblue: I am NOT talking to many people anymore, just as Rok does not wish to talk to you
[2:53:16 PM] Tonyblue: The download is exactly this dream
[2:53:27 PM] Tonyblue: CARE RING is 98 and 99
[2:53:39 PM] Tonyblue: 99=18 as 1980 connecting 31 AD to 2011=31+1980 and January 19th/20th, 1998 began the 'Age of Aquarius' in the solar transit of the Sun remember? 1998=999=666+333=18+9=1+8+9=9+9=II

[2:54:08 PM] Tonyblue: And this is the 17 years anniversary of MI March 24th 1995 to March 24th 2012
[2:54:31 PM] Tonyblue: 98=9+8=17 AS 18 times March 24th and encompassing 17 Years
[2:54:56 PM] Tonyblue: I will add the details to the last post today
[2:55:12 PM] Tonyblue: Its the 3½ days Raven and I talked yesterday about
[2:55:22 PM] Tonyblue: December 8-9-10-11, 2004 to March 28-29-30-31, 2012
[2:55:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: Tony I did not sense Mary there, I don't know but all I saw was you, James, Rok and Xeia standing before him.
[2:55:52 PM] Tonyblue: The 3 periods in the menses of the Old World
[2:56:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: and myself of course
[2:56:17 PM] Tonyblue: Yes because DCD is MM there and multiplied
[2:56:30 PM] Tonyblue: You saw NONE of the 3 Marys, see?
[2:56:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: no
[2:56:40 PM] Tonyblue: See!
[2:56:49 PM] Tonyblue: This is the Sisterhood
[2:56:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: Oh wow, i had wondered
[2:57:03 PM] Tonyblue: blending with the brotherhood
[2:57:16 PM] Tonyblue: To become a Sisterbrotherhood
[2:57:42 PM] Tonyblue: See Rok is 12 years younger than Xeia and DCD is 12 years younger than I
[2:57:55 PM] Tonyblue: So this is the 12+12=24 Elders
[2:58:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: and when i woke up funny thing, I thought he and Rok could be brothers, they looked so much alike, only Jesus had these dark brown eyes
[2:58:09 PM] Tonyblue: Baby Rok and Baby DCD
[2:58:25 PM] Tonyblue: Yes same for James
[2:58:29 PM] Tonyblue: Bloodline
[2:58:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes when james was younger yes
[2:58:48 PM] Tonyblue: Rok would have been one of the 12
[2:58:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: but Rok right now, looks very similar to Jesus
[2:59:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: in my dream
[2:59:17 PM] Tonyblue: Well its malleable
[2:59:25 PM] Tonyblue: All Blueys must eat JCCJ
[2:59:33 PM] Tonyblue: Become IT the cosmic twinship
[2:59:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[3:00:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: he was so beautiful Tony
[3:00:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: and it was morning the sun was shining as if it just came up
[3:01:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: i saw the sweat on his forhead
[3:01:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: glistening
[3:01:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: he spoke to us in the mind and said the kerr thing outloud
[3:02:24 PM] Tonyblue: Yes and all this is a specific timewindow
[3:02:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: and i saw a scene going back and forth from the Mount of Olives, him speaking before the multitudes and then just us on the hill of the cross

[3:42:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: so does this fix something then?
[3:42:16 PM] Tonyblue: The 12 hours in the middle are warped as Death=Life
[3:42:28 PM] Tonyblue: As in the above
[3:42:41 PM] Tonyblue: I am emphasizing the dates so it is clearer
[3:42:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok
[3:42:54 PM] Tonyblue: The warpzone is 2670 days with bounds
[3:43:10 PM] Tonyblue: Dec8 2004 and April 1st 2012
[3:43:31 PM] Tonyblue: This then warps the crucifixion AND resurrection onto 2012
[3:43:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok yes i see
[3:44:02 PM] Tonyblue: Your dream see was confirmation of the Risen and Eternal JCCJ
[3:44:35 PM] Tonyblue: 18 death days and 18 new life days
[3:44:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes that is what i felt, he was not in pain and no wounds or blood, no tears
[3:45:17 PM] Tonyblue: Exactly Glory and Power of the Logos
[3:45:37 PM] Tonyblue: 'Oh death where is thy sting?'

1Corinthians 15:54-56 (KJV)

⁵⁴So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
⁵⁵O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
⁵⁶The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

[3:45:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: he was flesh and blood like us though, it was not some supernatural Jesus I saw, it was him in the flesh
[3:45:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[3:46:10 PM] Tonyblue: Of course
[3:46:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: and his Robe was of the time period of 31 AD, it was ivory colored and very natural
[3:47:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: why did he keep repeating the scenes, is this the back and forth of the mirror?
[3:48:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was actually getting virtigo in the dream, it was all night like this, intense back and forth it was like...i was and all things were being re-written
[3:49:08 PM] Tonyblue: The Mount of Olives?
[3:49:24 PM] Tonyblue: To and fro see, this is the manyness of the Eucharist
[3:49:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes by a huge tree on a hill side
[3:49:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: and many people
[3:49:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: to the scene of him standing on the cross, not hanging with us
[3:49:46 PM] Tonyblue: Yes multitudes about the Tree of Life
[3:50:02 PM] Tonyblue: Yes heshe has conquered the 'cross'
[3:50:12 PM] Tonyblue: Placing a circle around it
[3:50:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: omg Tony I am suddenly emotional
[3:50:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: this is what he was showing me
[3:50:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: he conqured the cross
[3:51:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: he is our family
[3:51:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: I remember
[3:51:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: I remember, you know I have been waiting for this dream, a remembrance of him, being with him
[3:54:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: I had no idea
[3:55:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: no idea i would get to see, i hoped
[3:57:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: see...sometimes wishes do come true Tonylove
[3:57:57 PM] Tonyblue: Well Our Story holds true whatever happens
[3:58:48 PM] Tonyblue: We did and lived this FOR a New World and now can only hope that We shall also see this New World now reconfigured in a manner the cosmic executive can use it, now the cosmic legislature has been made manifest
[3:59:15 PM] Ishtara Raven: it is true, and i feel more hope then ever before, i feel so much peace
[3:59:15 PM] Tonyblue: But its finished now, this Easter
[3:59:42 PM] Tonyblue: Well happiness remains elusive of course, but we did well
[4:00:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: happiness will be when the world recognises him
[4:00:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: in all things
[4:00:36 PM] Ishtara Raven: as natural as he was in my dream
[4:02:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: the love in him is in us
[4:02:33 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[4:03:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: we just all have to learn how to wield it now
[4:03:18 PM] Tonyblue: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p270-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#72388
[4:08:42 PM] Ishtara Raven:


4:08:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: i wrote this today
[4:09:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: dont know what to title it though lol
[4:09:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: do you like it?
[4:12:21 PM] Tonyblue: Hmm nice lol yes I add it
[4:12:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol
[4:12:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: help me think of a title
[4:12:45 PM] Tonyblue: Call it New Life in a New World or such
[4:13:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: hmmm leme think
[4:17:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: how would you say new in latin new star?
[4:21:23 PM] Tonyblue: Nova astrum
[4:21:50 PM] Tonyblue: Nova Astralis
[4:22:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: hmm i like it
[4:22:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: so i will call it Nova Astralis
[4:22:46 PM] Tonyblue: Stella
[4:23:36 PM] Tonyblue: My motto as an airman in the RAAF was:
[4:23:40 PM] Tonyblue: Per Ardua et Astrum
[4:23:51 PM] Tonyblue: Through Labour to the Stars
[4:24:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i like that to
[4:25:57 PM] Tonyblue: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p270-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#72388
[4:27:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: amor operose nova sidera=Love labours new stars
[4:28:16 PM] Tonyblue: Well once you have made your mind up. i add the title
[4:28:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol
[4:29:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: amor operose novum mundos=Love Labors New Worlds
[4:29:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: thats it
[4:29:38 PM] Tonyblue: Spanish?
[4:29:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: latin
[4:29:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: well google translator says it is
[4:29:55 PM] Tonyblue: roughly ok
[4:30:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i dont know a better latin source lol
[4:30:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: amore labor scriptor novum mundos
[4:30:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: oops with the comma it translates to this
[4:31:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: err i mean apostrophie
[4:33:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: probably the first one is more correct, operose is to make or create, Labor's is works
[4:33:34 PM] Tonyblue: operosus means active
[4:34:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: hmm i dont know your the latin expert lol
[4:34:08 PM] Tonyblue: No I am not
[4:34:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: i like how it sounds though, amor operose novum mundos
[4:34:24 PM] Tonyblue: Latin is easy though operatione does too
[4:34:38 PM] Tonyblue: Ok stick with it then
Ishtara Raven
Xeia

Wed, 8Dec - Sat, 11Dec, 2004-----------|Sun, 25Mar - Wed, 28Mar -Thu, 29Mar - Sat, 31Mar |Sun, 1Apr - Wed, 4Apr, 2012 (+11UCT)

[0:00{Life}→2:00←{Death}14:00]→|[0:00→2:00←14:00][14:00-2:00][2:00-14:00-24:00]→|[0:00{Death}→2:00←{Resurrection}14:00]→

-3½ Days|.....|(+3½ Days) in Warptime of 12 Hours within a Warpzone of 1335+1335=2670 Days in (-3½ Days)|.....|+3½ days

Warped from:

Wed, 28Mar, 31 AD| 0:00-5:00-7:00-9:00-11:00-12:00-13:00-15:00-17:00-19:00-24:00| - | 3:00 |Sun, 1Apr, 31 AD; Jerusalem Time (+2UCT)



Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin)

(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

John.8.56-58:
⁵⁶Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
⁵⁷Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
⁵⁸Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

44+79+40=GRANDMOTHER+MIND=MOTHER+ANTIMIND=ABRAHAM+MOTHER+DAVID=MOTHER+DAUGHTER=79+84
=CATHERINE CASSIDY=MIREILLE AUDIBERT=83+80=163=10=55=109=GRANDMOTHER VDADI
=123+22+9+9=1234+666=1234+99=1234+18=1234+5+13=123+40=1234+0=1234+o+o=ABCDE+13
=ABCD+O=FIVE TREES=42+67=109=10=59+50=50+9+50=CIRCLE+I+CIRCLE
=DRAGONCIRCLE=DRAGONLION=DRAGONSNAKE=DRAGONARACHNE=DRAGONPAUL

A*=Tuesday, May 16th, 1922 =16+5+14=44=8=GM+ for Easter Sunday on April 16th, 1922
B*=Friday, January 8th, 1982 =8+1+20=11=2=D+ for Easter Sunday on April 11th, 1982
C*=Friday, March 24th, 1995 =24+3+24=33=6=GM- for Easter Sunday on April 16th, 1995
D*=Wednesday, December 8th, 2004=8+12+6=44=8=D- for Easter Sunday on April 11th, 2004
E*=Thursday, May 1st, 2014 =1+5+7=22=4=M* for Easter Sunday on April 20th, 2014

A*+C*=44+33=77=CHRIST=707=79997=76667=797=104=JERUSALEM=EXPERIENCE=EXISTENCE=LOVEJOY
=BERMANSEDER=USE DRAGON=45+59=LOVE CIRCLE=54+50=LION SUN=SNAKE GABRIEL=ARACHNE DECODER
=DEVILLIVED=52+52=2(26+26)=4(13+13)=GODDOGDOGGOD=JCCJCJJCCJJCJCCJ
B*+D*=11+44=55=HEAVEN=SKY=CLOUD=SONG=SATAN=BARBELO=JUDAS
E*=22=77-55=A+C-B-D

A*+C*=44+33=77=104=14=8+6=8+ABC=8+ABBA=BAAB+8=123+8=6+8=14=104=77=11+44+22=B*+D*+E*

1982=10+10=1010_bin=10_dec+10_dec

0=(Sun,Mar25-Wed,Mar28-Fri,Mar30-Sun,Apr1)31 + 1982 = (Easter&Equinox(Julian) #0 anno 31 AD)
1982=(Sun,Mar24-Wed,Mar27-Fri,Mar29-Sun,Mar31)2013 = (Easter&Equinox(Julian) #1982 anno 2013)

1=(Fri,Mar24-Mon,Mar27-Wed,Mar29-Fri,Mar31)1995 +1 = Equinox(Julian) 1995 (-23)
2=(Sun,Mar24-Wed,Mar27-Fri,Mar29-Sun,Mar31)1996 +16 = Equinox(Julian) 1996 (-14)
...
18=(Sat,Mar24-Tue,Mar27-Thu,Mar29-Sat,Mar31)2012 +1 = Equinox(Julian) 2012 (-15)
19=(Sun,Mar24-Wed,Mar27-Fri,Mar29-Sun,Mar31)2013 = Equinox(Julian) 2013 (-7)

{*=(Mon,Mar24-Thu,Mar27-Sat,Mar29-Mon,Mar31)2014 = Equinox(Julian) 2014 (-27)}

More detail: Post #255 at http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p240-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#70384
Post#226 at http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p225-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#67084
Posts#117 and #118 at http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t464p105-new-thuban-qa-from-isaiah-euphrates#56191
and/or: Post #11 at http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t220-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#3207


[11:41:54 AM-Tuesday, March 27th, 2012 (+11UCT)] Tonyblue: Added the dates for the 2012 gnosis
[11:42:29 AM] Tonyblue: Antichrist-Christ double pregnancy look above the Ezekiel code
[11:43:39 AM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: double pregnancy...oh my!
[12:04:43 PM] Tonyblue: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t220p15-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#3218
[12:05:03 PM] Tonyblue: 3D-12D from July 10, 2011 to April 1st, 2012
[12:05:11 PM] Tonyblue: From Maleness to Femaleness
[12:05:40 PM] Tonyblue: Then Mirrored in femaleness to maleness from April 1st, 2012 to December 21-23, 2012
[12:05:49 PM] Tonyblue: As 12D-3D
[12:06:07 PM] Tonyblue: So from Sunday next the Logos is in charge
[12:06:18 PM] Tonyblue: 12D will manifest in 3D
[12:07:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: this sound rather intense
[12:07:22 PM] Tonyblue: Higher D is in gestation until Xmas
[12:07:48 PM] Tonyblue: Oh it is unprecedented in the history of the universe
[12:08:01 PM] Tonyblue: Reconfig
[12:08:14 PM] Tonyblue: New cosmic blueprints
[12:08:29 PM] Tonyblue: So from Xmas on many things will become possible
[12:08:32 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: absolutly amazing...i just get so excited sometimes
[12:08:52 PM] Tonyblue: Well it can take some time Mike there are no quick fixes
[12:09:17 PM] Tonyblue: A new race of starbeing is born Xmas however as many channels say too
[12:09:36 PM] Tonyblue: Contact will be on from Xmas not before
[12:10:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i very much look forward to that
[12:10:29 PM] Tonyblue: Its like a baby in the womb
[12:10:37 PM] Tonyblue: You dont know until it comes out
[12:10:57 PM] Tonyblue: So NABS expectations are unwarranted
[12:11:29 PM] Tonyblue: But you and yours will be 'reborn' with the planetary 'soul essence' say
[12:11:45 PM] Tonyblue: Resonance physics after that
[12:12:10 PM] Tonyblue: The planet will be reconfigured in a new environment see
[12:12:23 PM] Tonyblue: A new Noosphere or Akash
[12:12:47 PM] Tonyblue: This will happen sometimes Dec 21st and be a process on that weekend
[12:13:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can see it somewhat anyway
[12:14:57 PM] Tonyblue: Yes its in all the human hearts and souls already many feel this reconfig but then get confused with the disinfo agents
[12:15:51 PM] Tonyblue: How is your flame going?
[12:16:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what flame is that lol
[12:16:27 PM] Tonyblue: Your girlfriend
[12:16:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ah
[12:17:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well im on my way to visit her tonight again...spent the last 3 nights at her place just chillin and talkin bout things
[12:17:37 PM] Tonyblue: Good you are synchronising with this coring stuff we talk about here sometimes
[12:18:02 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: she is waking up...lol i seem to have that effect on some people
[12:18:14 PM] Tonyblue: Aye
[12:18:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the clocks at her place read 10 10 11 11 12 12 1234 and so on...
[12:18:23 PM] Tonyblue: You got the energy
[12:19:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: its been nice to have a friend in my life ...was kinda boring for a while lol
[12:20:38 PM] Tonyblue: Could be Logos timing for you
[12:20:45 PM] Tonyblue: Your creation
[12:21:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it sure feels like it...and i do hope that my own children are in the logos mix soon
[12:21:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: she has a daughter...be about the same age as my son
[12:21:36 PM] Tonyblue: Of course I am separated from mine too; its all 3D BS
[12:21:47 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ya im staying strong tho!
[12:22:42 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i hope that life is going well for you too...you have been so busy cranking out your work
[12:22:55 PM] Tonyblue: Well just about finished now
[12:22:59 PM] Tonyblue: Sunday, my work will be done
[12:23:27 PM] Tonyblue: So people can argue without me lol
[12:23:37 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: hahaha
[12:23:40 PM] Tonyblue: And follow their own noses
[12:23:57 PM] Tonyblue: I will talk here though
[12:24:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well there must be some things left to do...like taking all this mainstreem or coming up with something new
[12:24:38 PM] Tonyblue: It is pointless for me to talk mainstream atm Mike
[12:24:55 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: maybe just get a star cruiser and go on some hollidays
[12:25:06 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes mainstream is blind
[12:25:19 PM] Tonyblue: Because I was just a messenger, but people take things personal
[12:25:40 PM] Tonyblue: After Xmas I think the starcruisers are a real possibility
[12:25:59 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i mentioned that i saw four light orbs in the sky last week
[12:26:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: they pop in...zip (fly) by in the sky and pop back out again
[12:26:24 PM] Tonyblue: Yes the orbs are consciousness expressions in 3D as 4D shadows
[12:26:43 PM] Tonyblue: Like if you switch the light off the shadow disappears see
[12:27:10 PM] Tonyblue: Think about shadows on the wall and how thy can move and you can understand ufo manouvers
[12:27:39 PM] Tonyblue: Move your hand zigzag and watch the shadow
[12:27:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol i just was
[12:28:30 PM] Tonyblue: Yes ufo zigzag is not combustion propulsion or rockets
[12:28:44 PM] Tonyblue: It is dimensional hyperspace
[12:29:29 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so much to learn and its all just so amazing
[12:29:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i trust that what i need to know just comes to me at the right time
[12:29:50 PM] Tonyblue: Well I only comprehend basics too
[12:30:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: like breathing...i dont really think about it...it just sort of happens
[12:30:29 PM] Tonyblue: Its the mindresonances which will determine who can make contact
[12:30:58 PM] Tonyblue: The ETs and ships require Extra Space to appear
[12:31:07 PM] Tonyblue: People dont get this
[12:31:44 PM] Tonyblue: 3D space is too small to materialise from higher D and less densities
[12:32:00 PM] Tonyblue: So this is like water simple
[12:32:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: wow... well that makes sense as you say it
[12:32:29 PM] Tonyblue: Water freezes and thaws into liquid and then becomes a gas under heat and disappears as water vapour
[12:32:43 PM] Tonyblue: So the ufos are like water vapour
[12:32:47 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the light orbs i see are small in size...like basket ball sized
[12:32:52 PM] Tonyblue: You see this yes?
[12:33:08 PM] Tonyblue: Yes merkabahs of lightshadows
[12:33:20 PM] Tonyblue: 3D shadows are dark
[12:33:28 PM] Tonyblue: 4D shadows are lightorbs
[12:33:39 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: interesting
[12:33:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: about the water vapor
[12:33:56 PM] Tonyblue: All ufos are 4D space NOT 3D space why they can't catch them
[12:34:06 PM] Tonyblue: Yes CLOUDS see
[12:34:17 PM] Tonyblue: Clouds are ufo intelligence
[12:34:27 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: haha like nasa trying to go faster then light with laser lights
[12:34:39 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[12:34:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol good luck catching that
[12:34:55 PM] Tonyblue: But this is still normal physics
[12:35:07 PM] Tonyblue: Hyperphysics uses 5D
[12:35:26 PM] Tonyblue: This 5D is born Xmas opens up like a cosmic stargate see
[12:35:44 PM] Tonyblue: Inside out 'poleflip'
[12:35:53 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: kind of see...more feel...but i do see some
[12:35:54 PM] Tonyblue: Nothing to do with the planet flipping
[12:36:08 PM] Tonyblue: 2012 NABS
[12:36:28 PM] Tonyblue: It is the center of the earth which will flip
[12:36:33 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i saw astralwalker had a new presentation...never watched it...just saw the link on ciabook
[12:36:38 PM] Tonyblue: Size of a golfball
[12:37:02 PM] Tonyblue: The NABS people got the same symbols but misread those
[12:37:19 PM] Tonyblue: So they feel this stuff but can't read it
[12:37:43 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well very soon i feel it will be our teams turn to speak
[12:38:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i mean speak more then we already have been lol
[12:38:08 PM] Tonyblue: Starhumans will change the standards yes
[12:38:26 PM] Tonyblue: Its all obscured as necessary Mike
[12:38:41 PM] Tonyblue: Imagine Ryan or Cassidy taking us seriously
[12:39:07 PM] Tonyblue: We would be in the NABS disinfo environment 'competing' with the disinfo agents
[12:39:14 PM] Tonyblue: Waste of energy
[12:39:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i can see that
[12:40:00 PM] Tonyblue: They interview us and they would shoot the messengers and would not listen what we say
[12:40:11 PM] Tonyblue: Ego tripping
[12:40:24 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: maybe just retarded?
[12:40:26 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
[12:40:27 PM] Tonyblue: Let them live their illusions
[12:40:40 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh well...i dunno...
[12:40:50 PM] Tonyblue: Old humans are doomed to change or go extinct
[12:41:03 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i very much agree with that
[12:41:05 PM] Tonyblue: And this is not our say, its the universe's
[12:41:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what if i said the universe told me to un birth them
[12:41:56 PM] Tonyblue: Go for it!
[12:42:12 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well it will soon be time for our work to shine
[12:42:17 PM] Tonyblue: You are a free agent with a encompassing philosophy or agenda
[12:42:51 PM] Tonyblue: This is all we actually are
[12:43:03 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i just know that things could be sooooo much better and the answers to many of the problems that they keep going on about have already been presented
[12:43:17 PM] Tonyblue: Dragons or starhumans are fiercely individual, yet have a common understanding of how the universe works
[12:43:30 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[12:43:50 PM] Tonyblue: Many things and solutions are published but not many are interested
[12:44:08 PM] Tonyblue: TLTR
[12:44:10 PM] Tonyblue: lol
[12:44:18 PM] Tonyblue: Too many scripture codes
[12:44:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: tltr?
[12:44:34 PM] Tonyblue: Too boring; where are the pics of the evil dracs?
[12:44:47 PM] Tonyblue: Too Long To Read
[12:44:51 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ah yes
[12:45:26 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: might be easier to make up some bullshit bout being abducted and anal probed then when the cameras rolling switch it up to the truth haha
[12:45:33 PM] Tonyblue: Exactly
[12:45:53 PM] Tonyblue: See Mike you have come a long way too now from buying all this BS
[12:46:16 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ya well theres a lot of it...and much sounds good
[12:46:34 PM] Tonyblue: It sounds good because it is GENERAL love and light stuff
[12:46:46 PM] Tonyblue: It fails to give details though
[12:47:08 PM] Tonyblue: Disclosure dates and the pope resigning what BS
[12:47:48 PM] Tonyblue: They might be planning to poison him or something but popes dont resign because of old age
[12:47:57 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: hmmmmm
[12:48:03 PM] Tonyblue: He is in Mexico anyway atm
[12:48:24 PM] Tonyblue: The ptb and the Vatican are very aware of the Malachi prophecies
[12:48:32 PM] Xeia: he is in Santiago de Cuba
[12:48:34 PM] Tonyblue: Benedict is the last pope
[12:48:51 PM] Tonyblue: Yes he would have moved on
[12:48:59 PM] Tonyblue: South America trip
[12:49:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i am unfamilar with the malachi prophecies
[12:49:35 PM] Tonyblue: They say that after Benedict, Peter the apostle will be the new pope from the heavens say
[12:49:46 PM] Tonyblue: So this is the 2nd coming
[12:50:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well ill debate the pope!
[12:50:24 PM] Tonyblue: They elected Benedict BECAUSE he was so old already see wrt this Malachi
[12:50:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: we get all our fact together and ill take on any man
[12:50:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: false christans...islam
[12:50:48 PM] Tonyblue: So they can do him in just in case to manipulate the prophecy to their agendas
[12:51:19 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: wild...what a bunch of crazy lizzards
[12:51:25 PM] Tonyblue: Right, powermongers more like it
[12:51:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes was a joke ;)
[12:52:09 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: just nuts the situation were all in
[12:52:26 PM] Tonyblue: If they poison him, then they can blame his old age and the stress of the travellings
[12:52:33 PM] Tonyblue: Read between the lines, ptb are predictable when things are in mainstream media
[12:53:39 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well they are getting squeeed by these energies too and are likley running out of ideas
[12:53:44 PM] Tonyblue: He would be in Rome for Easter April 8
[12:53:50 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[12:54:13 PM] Tonyblue: So strange aye that the NABSers say he will retire one Sunday after on April 15th?!
[12:54:28 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and when viewed by the higher ET mind that appears to have landed in our heads it becomes obvious how retarded they are
[12:54:28 PM] Tonyblue: Its disinfo
[12:54:37 PM] Tonyblue: True
[12:55:41 PM] Tonyblue: Its a control game
[12:56:04 PM] Tonyblue: The old Xtianity is kaput now
[12:56:11 PM] Tonyblue: And they feel it
[12:56:16 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i bet they do
[12:56:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: they probably read our posts on facebook
[12:56:26 PM] Tonyblue: New info from the Logos is the real Xtianity
[12:56:47 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and the mists and the other forums
[12:56:52 PM] Tonyblue: We are simple 3D friends of it anchoring this new data
[12:57:00 PM] Tonyblue: We are NOT in contol at all
[12:57:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: nope...just a channel for the great work to come in
[12:57:25 PM] Tonyblue: But Sunday this will BEGIN to mirror
[12:57:43 PM] Tonyblue: The going up from Us to the ETs will reflect coming down
[12:57:58 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it has been an honor to do what i have done...despite all the perceived troubles i cry about
[12:57:59 PM] Tonyblue: So this is what this is all about
[12:57:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: yay and hello guys
[12:58:05 PM] Tonyblue: New Story telling Mike
[12:58:15 PM] Tonyblue: Ishy is back
[12:58:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: \o/
[12:58:31 PM] Tonyblue: Download the 91 pic Raven
[12:58:40 PM] Tonyblue: It had addons, its on main
[12:58:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes getting it now
[12:59:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: how you feeling today?
[12:59:18 PM] Tonyblue: Better
[12:59:38 PM] Tonyblue: I woke up and understood the double pregnancy even better, so I added it
[1:00:15 PM] Tonyblue: The story is on heaven and the other forums of course
[1:00:20 PM] Tonyblue: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t220p15-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#3218
[1:00:40 PM] Tonyblue: But you see your own birthday as a mirror in this timeline lol
[1:00:56 PM] Tonyblue: Look at Aug12-19 week
[1:01:06 PM] Tonyblue: 5 mirrors here
[1:02:08 PM] Tonyblue: Jul10---Sep14---April 1st---August 15---Dec23
[1:02:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok yes i see it
[1:02:43 PM] Tonyblue: Dec 23 because the April 1st is double counted
[1:03:00 PM] Tonyblue: So the weekend Dec21-23 will be the 'event'
[1:03:19 PM] Tonyblue: Sunday to Sunday is 8 days not 7 see
[1:03:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh wow
[1:03:50 PM] Tonyblue: And the timeline stated July 11th so this then becomes Dec 21st
[1:03:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: the 21st-23 is also 3.5 days too right in the encoding?
[1:04:00 PM] Tonyblue: No
[1:04:12 PM] Tonyblue: But the Mayan Logos is those two dates, called Mayan Correlation
[1:04:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i see
[1:04:35 PM] Tonyblue: One school gets Dec21st and the other Dec23rd
[1:04:37 PM] Tonyblue: Thompson and Lounsbury as the Mayan longcount date 13.0.0.0.0
[1:04:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: right, gotcha
[1:04:50 PM] Tonyblue: Good
[1:04:59 PM] Tonyblue: This is a very easy timeline
[1:05:15 PM] Tonyblue: Birth of Antichrist mirrored in Birth of Christ as 2nd coming see
[1:05:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[1:05:36 PM] Tonyblue: The other stuff in that post is detail
[1:05:54 PM] Tonyblue: It explains so many things and we lived this thoroughly
[1:06:30 PM] Tonyblue: Look at the mirror of the antignosis meaning male to female this then is the Raven-Dove mirror in more detail in a finestructure
[1:07:10 PM] Tonyblue: So the images (as per GOT) are 12D coming down and manifesting 3D from Sunday
[1:07:27 PM] Tonyblue: Our work was to offer the 3D to 12D as a new story script
[1:07:31 PM] Tonyblue: So simple really
[1:08:13 PM] Tonyblue: July 10th is Raven mirror extended as the antibirth and Xeia's Dove Mirror is Dec 23rd as the birth
[1:08:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: [1:07 PM] Tonyblue:

<<< Our work was to offer the 3D to 12D as a new story script i do love a good story (inlove)
[1:08:36 PM] Ishtara Raven: nice
[1:08:40 PM] Tonyblue: So she called her forum BirthofGaia see the Logos there?
[1:09:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i always liked that name too
[1:09:10 PM] Tonyblue: And she cooperated with a Rock
[1:09:17 PM] Tonyblue: Peter Cephas
[1:09:31 PM] Tonyblue: Cephas Xeia and Cephas Raven
[1:09:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol so true
[1:09:45 PM] Tonyblue: One day this will become clearer
[1:09:56 PM] Tonyblue: Yes Xeia is the Cephas too with Rock
[1:09:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[1:10:13 PM] Tonyblue: Two mirrors with the Logos in the middle
[1:10:22 PM] Tonyblue: This is on the chart
[1:10:43 PM] Tonyblue: And Sunday ends the Anticycle and begins the Cycle
[1:11:06 PM] Tonyblue: 3D-12D as a gift returning from female to male aka a Real Birth
[1:11:26 PM] Tonyblue: What Thuban did was to offer the male-female up to the heavens and as scripted
[1:11:39 PM] Tonyblue: Remember the 'footstool'?
[1:11:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: so what do you expect will happen to people on april 1st tony? any ideas
[1:11:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[1:11:55 PM] Tonyblue: Nothing external
[1:12:20 PM] Tonyblue: A possible pregancy is shown to be a nonevent symbolically
[1:12:28 PM] Tonyblue: Like a pregnancy test
[1:12:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: OMG theres two lines! :)
[1:12:45 PM] Tonyblue: But this absorbs millennia old memes
[1:12:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes but many may feel the new life growing in them metaphorically
[1:13:09 PM] Tonyblue: Of course yes
[1:13:23 PM] Tonyblue: A New Starhuman Race will be CONCEIVED ON SUNDAY
[1:13:30 PM] Tonyblue: Unprecedented
[1:13:54 PM] Tonyblue: Like the archangel Gabriel honouring Mary in Luke in the 'Announciation'
[1:14:02 PM] Tonyblue: This will happen Sunday
[1:14:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: just found out my gf from wendover is 12 weeks pregnant for real, she is due oct 7th, pretty close to Carolina's birthday. I wonder how she will do being double pregnant this year...i remember what the bible says...woe to those with child
[1:14:32 PM] Tonyblue: But I dont expect anything 3D physical catastrophies and such stuff
[1:14:48 PM] Tonyblue: Nono Raven, this code means that woe to the 'carriers' of the antichrist ok?
[1:15:13 PM] Tonyblue: One is taken one stays
[1:15:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i see
[1:15:26 PM] Tonyblue: This is like DCD now and Reimy and all deniers
[1:15:41 PM] Tonyblue: Yes this code decodes all this wonderfully
[1:15:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: she says she wants a little girl
[1:16:00 PM] Tonyblue: Dinah like Zaina's daughter
[1:16:23 PM] Tonyblue: All dragons will carry Dinah from Sunday
[1:16:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i am excited for her
[1:16:39 PM] Tonyblue: You will carry Dinah Ophiuchus
[1:16:46 PM] Tonyblue: Malefemale christ
[1:16:58 PM] Tonyblue: The divine twin in one
[1:17:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i feel him
[1:17:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: himher
[1:17:28 PM] Tonyblue: Then the dragons will give birth to this twin Xmas
[1:17:37 PM] Tonyblue: Yes all DQBees
[1:17:44 PM] Tonyblue: And DKs in images of the selfbirth and as image of Gaias's rebirth
[1:18:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: i had strange dreams last night
[1:18:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: gaia was crying out to me
[1:18:22 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: raven i had very strange dreams too
[1:18:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and very deep sleep
[1:18:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: and Jimmy new I was gaia, he kept calling me that in the dream anyhow
[1:18:40 PM] Tonyblue: See confirmations
[1:18:55 PM] Tonyblue: Its a super duper week of anti-versus real
[1:19:12 PM] Tonyblue: As said yesterday, Sunday 25th mirrors April 8th
[1:19:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: well it was very very strange, Gaia was downloading me with tons of stuff
[1:19:45 PM] Tonyblue: So today mirrors April 6
[1:20:02 PM] Tonyblue: Jesus IN the Tomb see the belly of the whale
[1:20:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: i dont remember it all but it was like an urgent message
[1:20:08 PM] Tonyblue: See your dreams in this light
[1:20:29 PM] Tonyblue: Jesus is in the tomb April 4th-April 8th
[1:20:47 PM] Tonyblue: This becomes March 25th-March 29th in image
[1:21:20 PM] Tonyblue: So this is what you are downloading the end of Old Gaia History
[1:21:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: in the dream Gaia was seducing Jimmy big time too lol and he was falling for it, he was singing to Gaia and smiling and cooing
[1:21:51 PM] Tonyblue: Good, MI=MM=Rose=ambassadora
[1:22:24 PM] Tonyblue: Old Gaia is ready to GO HOME to ABBA as Old Barbelo
[1:22:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: all i can remember really, i can say i never had a dream like this where the planet talked to me as a persona in the dream
[1:22:45 PM] Tonyblue: New Gaia Serpentina will take her place as Daughter matured
[1:23:02 PM] Tonyblue: This is what is implied
[1:23:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: James saw me as Gaia, but I saw her in me as a beautiful woman, dark haired beauty, it was so strange
[1:23:46 PM] Tonyblue: Yes you are New GS as are all DQBees
[1:24:04 PM] Tonyblue: See JT your gf could be such a DQBee big time
[1:24:26 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i told her about the dragon queens being important
[1:24:30 PM] Tonyblue: Lol
[1:24:45 PM] Tonyblue: She might be one in her heart
[1:25:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: well how do you feel about this woman Mike, do you think she could be your DQ, your core?
[1:25:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it is quite possible
[1:26:17 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: its hard to know for sure im just living it...but there is a deep connection between us on a spirt level
[1:26:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes this is it
[1:26:32 PM] Tonyblue: Essences
[1:26:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: you may find yourselves super attracted but not for obvious reasons
[1:26:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes essence
[1:26:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes thats right
[1:27:04 PM] Tonyblue: Yes its not looks Mike, its something deeper
[1:27:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can see that she is feeling that...i can see it in her eyes
[1:27:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: beautiful
[1:27:29 PM] Tonyblue: But all DQs will transform into cosmic beauties of course
[1:27:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i was droping pure alchemical gold on her last night
[1:28:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: we were looking at some of the posts on the thuban 101 thread and i was talking about some of the things i understand
[1:28:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the rest i said is just beyond my current understanding...i just kinda wing it lol
[1:29:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes invite her to the chats if she wants mike, like the main one or this one if you feel she is ready, we can help answer questions
[1:29:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i will let her know...shes for sure getting with the program especaily after listen to me goin on and on and on and on and on and on...
[1:29:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol
[1:29:55 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
[1:29:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: i can imagine
[1:30:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: haha ya thats the secret i say to her
[1:30:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: wonder if she can keep up with your boundless energy
[1:30:17 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: believing is seeing
[1:30:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: she tries very hard...and i am learning to take a few breaks and just enjoy the moments of time we are sharing
[1:31:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: thats good, yeah don't overwhelm her too much
[1:31:30 PM] Tonyblue: Yes this core chat will be opened for all core aspirers from Sunday
[1:32:00 PM] Tonyblue: So feel free to add people at your individual disgressions
[1:32:16 PM] Tonyblue: Core seekers is the criteria nothing else
[1:32:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well she not on skype but i will offer her the choice to join in
[1:32:43 PM] Tonyblue: So not people like Asha who does not want a core
[1:32:57 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can feel that there very much could be some amazing times between us in the future
[1:33:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: was quite a wild time when we first met last october
[1:33:22 PM] Tonyblue: If you feel this, it should become emphasized from Sunday JT
[1:33:27 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the magic of true love eh....sneaks up on ya when your not looking
[1:33:38 PM] Tonyblue: Sunday will be a COSMIC CONCEPTION internally
[1:33:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol yeah
[1:34:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can feel the warmth of it already
[1:34:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i am surrounded in bliss energy
[1:34:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: thats good mike
[1:35:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i have been laying out my bluprint for a while...and i can feel those big wheels coming back around
[1:35:20 PM] Tonyblue: Thursday should bring on another energy shift
[1:35:51 PM] Tonyblue: So there would be a depression atm psychically for many people
[1:36:02 PM] Tonyblue: Mirroring the tomb
[1:36:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes in some of my friends very much so...!!! heavy waves in their brains!
[1:36:13 PM] Tonyblue: This would ease Thursday
[1:36:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: tell me, i had a freaking lawyer call me today and demand payment for an old ambulance bill, they sued me
[1:36:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: threatened to come after me with all he had
[1:36:35 PM] Tonyblue: Yes morons
[1:36:59 PM] Tonyblue: Where is Obamacare?
[1:37:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: and i have to pay it or it will go from 520$ to 1700 and i am trying to get hired on the Indian Mount, wont be good if i have a garnishment.
[1:37:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: its still being implemented and the fuc11ing repubs are still trying to overturn it
[1:37:48 PM] Tonyblue: Amazing how brainwashed those US people are generally
[1:38:01 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: brainwashed and braindead!
[1:38:20 PM] Tonyblue: Even listening to those reps
[1:38:28 PM] Tonyblue: Same here though
[1:39:06 PM] Tonyblue: Just had a Queensland state election when the sitting Dem/Labour government lost 44 seats to 7 now and was swept from office after 20 years by the Tories
[1:39:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: well amazingly enough, Jimmy and I had some extra money which allowed me to pay half of it today. this guy was such an 1ss on the phone. told him i get paid friday and he says...listen people tell me that all the time, send me half now and i will believe you, otherwise i go ahead and process the case and your screwed.
[1:39:24 PM] Tonyblue: Fuc11wit
[1:39:39 PM] Tonyblue: I would have 'abused' him for once for real
[1:40:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes he threatened to take ownership of my computer, jewllery and all kinds of s8it, this guy even knew Jimmy's name, he has been investigating me i guess, it left me with a sick feeling tony.
[1:40:24 PM] Tonyblue: Old human populus is braindead as you said
[1:40:33 PM] Tonyblue: Time to go extinct
[1:40:33 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well its all about the corpseration when your birth certifacte was created and they trick you into the joinder as the spirit agreeing to be the NAME
[1:40:47 PM] Tonyblue: I dont blame you
[1:40:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: [1:40 PM] Tonyblue:

<<< Old human populus is braindead as you said
Time to go extinct for sure
[1:41:06 PM] Tonyblue: Well JT said it too
[1:41:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: but good luck dealing with that... were still just learning how the system was created and works
[1:41:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: the guy called my mother first and she wouldn't give him my number, so she took his but he was abusive to her too, wouldn't tell her what it was about.
[1:41:49 PM] Tonyblue: You cant 'fight' this stuff Mike unless you got the money and the lawyers
[1:42:14 PM] Tonyblue: Lawyers and police are the scum of the powermongers and psychiatrists lol
[1:42:31 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i agree with that...as you know had my own experiences with them as of late
[1:42:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes you know what 200,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea is?
[1:42:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: A good start lol
[1:43:02 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and i am gonna laugh my 1ss off when they do go crazy
[1:43:02 PM] Tonyblue: Some of the first 'professions' which will be obsolete in the New World
[1:43:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: i swear most lawyers have no conscious
[1:43:43 PM] Tonyblue: My only 'authority' is the codes and they say that the military will be defunct
[1:43:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: they totally know they are screwing everyone
[1:43:55 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh i like that
[1:44:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i just told Occupy Canada today that i declare the government defunct
[1:44:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ive run my mouth just about as much as i can
[1:44:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes and hopefully, judges, jurys, police, lawyers all that s8it wont be needed as people will know what the true laws are

[1:44:46 PM] Tonyblue: Micah 4:3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

[1:45:11 PM] Tonyblue: This is potent JT
[1:45:17 PM] Tonyblue: I take this as gospel
[1:45:22 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well thank god for you all and your Un-crazieness
[1:45:32 PM] Tonyblue: So military will become disaster relief agency
[1:45:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: haha great transformation of them
[1:45:51 PM] Tonyblue: YES
[1:46:12 PM] Tonyblue: This code Raven would put the entire old human civilisation on its head
[1:46:24 PM] Tonyblue: Because atm all is money and military
[1:46:41 PM] Tonyblue: And I 'believe' it MUST come true
[1:47:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: i know, the current status is totally sick, i can't wait till the military machine is dismantled forever
[1:47:06 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[1:47:14 PM] Tonyblue: Dragons will have fun doing this
[1:47:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i am going to walk up the durham hill to my girlfriends place (inlove)
have a great night or day or now and whatever...talk to you soon
thanks for chatting here...i am so excited about things to come
[1:47:29 PM] Tonyblue: They can try to shoot the motherships down
[1:47:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: all this money they waste on defense could be better spent on things like food, clothing, shelter for everyone for starters
[1:47:40 PM] Tonyblue: It will backfire
[1:47:54 PM] Tonyblue: Yes loverbird
[1:47:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok Mike, have a great night sweety
[1:47:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol
[1:48:11 PM] Tonyblue: Love eagle
[1:48:37 PM] Tonyblue: Too late for 'political solutions' Raven
[1:48:51 PM] Tonyblue: Only superior airpower can do this
[1:48:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: i know...its hammer time, divine justice
[1:49:00 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[1:49:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: the meek will inherit this earth
[1:49:33 PM] Tonyblue: The meek are the new race from the stars
[1:49:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: peace lovers
[1:49:50 PM] Tonyblue: Peace makers they are called yes
[1:50:14 PM] Tonyblue: So what Thuban did was is to 'Prepare the Way'
[1:50:28 PM] Tonyblue: We are not this race yet, but can become
[1:50:43 PM] Tonyblue: We prepared the way in rescripting the future, based on encoded prophecies both scriptural and native
[1:51:12 PM] Tonyblue: Can you see this?
[1:51:22 PM] Tonyblue: We were pioneers.
[1:51:30 PM] Tonyblue: Playwrights
[1:51:36 PM] Tonyblue: Not yet the New Race
[1:51:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes of course i see this
[1:52:08 PM] Tonyblue: So like Van Gogh say who died a pauper
[1:52:23 PM] Tonyblue: We might not see the fruits of our labours
[1:52:31 PM] Ishtara Raven: don't say that
[1:52:46 PM] Tonyblue: Only after the artist is gone, will the world acknowledge hisher genius and worth
[1:53:15 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol your pessimism really chaps my 1ss tony, so i will counter with, we will see our future, somehow someway
[1:53:19 PM] Tonyblue: I am only saying that this work needed to be done and that its worth is in the deeds done
[1:53:43 PM] Tonyblue: We DID it and somehow will know this of course
[1:53:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes yes i know what your saying, that no matter what we have changed the metaphysics
[1:53:54 PM] Tonyblue: YES
[1:53:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: our story is real
[1:54:11 PM] Tonyblue: Xeia and Rock and you all expect the grand physical changes
[1:54:42 PM] Tonyblue: I hope they will occur, but if they take another decade or so it does not in any manner diminish the Works
[1:55:08 PM] Tonyblue: Our remembrance of self must endure yes
[1:55:15 PM] Tonyblue: We shall never forget
[1:55:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: no we can't
[1:56:08 PM] Tonyblue: Nope and of course I would EXPECT that this grand cosmic new potential will allow us to KEEP Our merkabahs in a metamorphosis
[1:56:40 PM] Tonyblue: But it is the Logos executive who decides this not Thuban
[1:57:08 PM] Tonyblue: My work is finished Sunday, so I am making my position clear now
[1:57:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: well if we cannot immediately transform i do believe the ETs will have the technology to keep us alive until the metamorphosis is complete
[1:57:30 PM] Tonyblue: Lol I am more positive here
[1:58:04 PM] Tonyblue: I know that a 'magnetic crystal chamber' say, would 'cure' my and your and Xeia's ailments in an hour or so
[1:58:26 PM] Tonyblue: But this requires the densification of hyperspace
[1:58:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes this is what i mean
[1:59:13 PM] Tonyblue: From Sunday a New Healing Mode will be implemented as this Conception
[1:59:40 PM] Tonyblue: So I actually do expect improvements in my physical condition and so can you and the dragons
[1:59:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: sweety my mom just called me, so i am going to talk to her , but i will be back in a few
[2:00:02 PM] Tonyblue: Sure say hello from me
[2:00:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: she says hi and cheers from out west lol
[2:53:01 PM] Tonyblue: Shared this convo as it is of general interest addressing many issues about the timeline, 2012, Logos and the cores

From April 1st, 2012 and then from December 21st, 2012 and then from December 16th, 2013 and then from May 1st, 2014; the historically abused and misused 'Word of God' and in all of their misguided interpretations shall have passed its 'use by' dates.
This begins with the discarding of puerile 'modern translations' of the 'bibles', such as the following utility of a 'New "Evangelistic" International Version' in the use of source-code.[/b]

http://www.alternet.org/story/154466/15_bible_texts_reveal_why_'god’s_own_party'_is_at_war_with_women?page=entire]http://www.alternet.org/story/154466/15_bible_texts_reveal_why_'god’s_own_party'_is_at_war_with_women?page=entire


15 Ways the Bible Is Used by Christians and the GOP to Control and Malign Women

Fundamentalist religion of all stripes has degradation of women at its core, and fundamentalist Christianity is no exception.

March 8, 2012 |

Why can’t GOP politicians trumpet their religious credentials without assaulting women?

Because fundamentalist religion [url=http://www.cod.edu/PEOPLE/FACULTY/raepple/Religion Global/Negative Religious Views of Women.htm]of all stripes[/url] has degradation of women at its core, and fundamentalist Christianity is no exception. Progressive Christians believe the Bible is a human document, a record of humanity’s multi-millennial struggle to understand what is good and what is God and how to live in moral community with each other. But fundamentalists believe the Bible is the literally perfect word of the Almighty, essentially dictated by God to the writers. To believe that the Bible is the literally perfect word of God is to believe that women are tainted seductresses who must be controlled by men.


Listen to early church father Tertullian: “You [woman] are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die.”

Or take it from reformer John Calvin: “Woman is more guilty than man, because she was seduced by Satan, and so diverted her husband from obedience to God that she was an instrument of death leading to all perdition. It is necessary that woman recognize this, and that she learn to what she is subjected; and not only against her husband. This is reason enough why today she is placed below and that she bears within her ignominy and shame.”

Both Tertullian, a respected Catholic theologian, and Calvin, a leader of the Protestant Reformation, took their cues on this matter straight from the book of Genesis:

To the woman [God] said, I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you. -Genesis 3:16

No matter how outrageous Santorum and Gingrich may seem to secularists and moderate people of faith, they are right on target for an intended audience of Bible believing fundamentalists. If you have any doubt, check out these 15 Bible passages.*

1. A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17

2. Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7

3. A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

4. Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3

5. Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.

6. Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.Numbers 31:17-18

7. Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water....

...The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the Lord for the uncleanness of her discharge. You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them. Leviticus 15: 19-31

8. A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to a girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over.

If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.

When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8

9. A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: When a man makes a vow to the Lord or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the Lord or obligates herself by a pledge and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand.

But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the Lord will release her because her father has forbidden her....

...A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the Lord will release her. Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16

10. Women should be seen and not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34

11. Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18

12. In case you missed that submission thing...: Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24.

13. More submission – and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15

14. Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.1 Corinthians 11:2-10

15. Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4

This list is just a sampling of the Bible verses that either instruct or illustrate proper relationships between men and women. In context, they often are mixed among passages that teach proper relationships with children, slaves and foreigners. The Bible doesn’t forbid either contraception or abortion, but it is easy to see why Bible-believing fundamentalists might have negative feelings about both.

As futurist Sara Robinson has pointed out, traditional rules that govern male-female relationships are grounded more in property rights than civil rights. Men essentially have ownership of women, whose lives are scripted to serve an end—bearing offspring. It was very important to men that they know whose progeny they were raising, so sexual morality focused primarily on controlling women’s sex activity and maintaining their “purity” and value as assets. Traditional gender roles and rules evolved on the presumption that women don’t have control over their fertility. In other words, modern contraception radically changed a social compact that had existed for literally thousands of years.

Some people don’t welcome change. Since the beginnings of the 20th century, fundamentalist Christians have been engaged in what they see as spiritual warfare against secularists and modernist Christians. Both of their foes have embraced discoveries in fields as diverse as linguistics, archeology, psychology, biology and physics -- all of which call into question the heart of conservative religion and culture. Biblical scholars now challenge such “fundamentals” as a historical Adam, the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection and the special status that Abraham’s God gave to straight males.

Fundamentalists are fighting desperately to hang on to certainties and privileges they once saw as an Abrahamic birthright. If they can’t keep women in line, it’s all over. The future ends up in the hands of cultural creatives, scientists, artists, inquiring minds, and girls. It’s horrifying.

*All verses are quoted from the New International Version of the Bible, a favorite of evangelicals.


Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer in Seattle, Washington and the founder ofWisdom Commons. She is the author of "Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light" and "Deas and Other Imaginings." Her articles can be found at Awaypoint.Wordpress.com.

The Shroud of Turin and the Vinland Map

For your information only. Though I might comment one day upon the 'uniqueness' of the 'Shroud of Turin' as to the witnessing of a 'holographic' event, which not only rewrote history 2000 years ago, but also exemplifies a 'pathway' into a new hybrid physics between mass and radiation and consciousness.

Tony B.



The Shroud of Turin is reputedly Christ's burial cloth. It has been a religious relic since the Middle Ages. To believers it was divine proof the Christ was resurrected from the grave, to doubters it was evidence of human gullibility and one of the greatest hoaxes in the history of art.
No one has been able to prove that it is the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth, but its haunting image of a man's wounded body is proof enough for true believers.

The Shroud of Turin, as seen by the naked eye, is a negative image of a man with his hands folded. The linen is 14 feet, 3 inches long and 3 feet, 7 inches wide. The shroud bears the image of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Jesus.
The shroud is wrapped in red silk and kept in a silver chest in the Chapel of the Holy Shroud in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy since 1578.

The shroud is unquestionably old. Its history is known from the year 1357, when it surfaced in the tiny village of Lirey, France. Until recent reports from San Antonio, most of the scientific world accepted the findings of carbon dating carried out in 1988. The results said the shroud dated back to 1260-1390, and thus is much too new to be Jesus' burial linen.

The section of the shroud showing the face reveals dramatic features
when viewed as negative image.


Three-dimensional relief of the Shroud face after smoothing of rough transitions with a recursive filter.The computer showed us what the face of Jesus Christ probably looked like before the Passion or after Resurrection, through an electronic cleaning of the blood and wounds which provides the almost natural images of the face
Source: http://www.shroud.com/meacham2.htm



Here is an artistic impression of what the face
matching the image might have looked like.


COPYRIGHT 1931 GIUSEPPE ENRIE

This frontal image (above) shows the forearms, wrist, and hands. There appears to be a large puncture wound on the wrist. This is significant because if nails were placed through the palms of the hand, this would not provide sufficient support to hold the body to the cross and tearing of the hands would occur. Only if the nails were placed through the wrists would this provide sufficient support to hold the body fixed to the cross.

We can also see a large blood stain and elliptical wound on the person's right side (remember, in a negative imprint left and right are reversed). From studying the size and shape of this wound and historical records, we can deduce that this wound could have been caused by a Roman Lancea. This lance is pictured in Slide 13.

In addition, by measuring the angle of dried blood on the wrist, one can reconstruct the angle at which this person hung from the cross. He mainly hung from a position 65 degrees from the horizontal. But there is another angle of dried blood at 55 degrees. This shows that this person tried to lift himself up by 10 degrees. Why? Medical studies show that if a person just hangs from a position of 65 degrees in would start to suffocate very quickly. Only if he could lift himself up by about 10 degrees would he be able to breathe. Thus he would have to raise himself up by this 10 degrees by pushing down on his feet which would have to have been fixed to the cross. He would then become exhausted and fall down again to the 65 degree position. Thus, he would continue to shift from these two agonizing positions throughout crucifixion. That is why the executioners of crucifixion would break the legs of their victims to speed up death. If they could not lift themselves up to breathe, they would suffocate very quickly.

The following image shows the most likely position in which Jesus died. This body position is based on interpretation of the blood stains contained in the shroud.

Image Formation Theories

© Dr. John DeSalvo

The Painting Theory


One theory is simply that the Shroud is a painting . It has been proposed that it was painted using iron oxide in an animal protein binder. The STURP scientists have concluded from their studies that no paints, pigments, dyes or stains have been found to make up the visible image. Small amounts of iron oxide have been found on the Shroud but the iron oxide is evenly distributed all over the Shroud. If it were painted using iron oxide you would expect its concentration to be greater in the image areas verses the non-image areas. This is not the case but the iron oxide is evenly distributed all over the Shroud. Thus it is probably a containment caused by the presence of the Shroud in artists studios throughout history who were copying it. It is also possible that the copies may have been touched to the Shroud to transfer its sacredness and this contaminated the Shroud with iron oxide.

Also no painter has been able to reproduce all the different qualities and characteristics of the Shroud. That is, its negativity, 3D effect, no brush strokes or directionality, perfect anatomical details from blood stains, scourging, etc. and the image is a surface phenomena, that is the image only penetrates about 1/500 of an inch into the cloth. It was shown that the blood went on first and than image. Try doing that and then painting the body image. Thus up to now no one has been able to reproduce the Shroud in all its characteristics. Most scientists reject the painting theory.


The Radiation Theory


Could the image have been produced by a burst of radiation (heat or light) acting over short period of time which would have scorched the cloth? Scientists have not been able to duplicate the characteristics of the Shroud using this method just like the painting hypothesis. Also the color and ultraviolet characteristics of the Shroud body image and a scorch are different. The shroud body image does not fluoresce under UV light but scorches like the burns from 1532 do fluoresce under UV light. Thus many scientists rule out the radiation theory.

DeSalvo's Revised Vaporgraphic - Direct Contact Theory

There are other theories regarding vapors from the body diffusing to the Shroud and producing the image. Another theory is a direct contact process in which substances were directly transferred to the cloth and produced the image.
DeSalvo's Theory takes both of these into consideration.

Nature may have supplied us with a miniature example of how the Shroud body image was produced. It is known that when certain plant matter (such as leaves) are placed in a book and left undisturbed for many years, there develops on both the upper and lower sheets of paper a faint sepia colored imprint of the plant matter (called Volckringer patterns). Dr. Jean Volckringer in the 1940's noticed that these plant images closely resemble the body image on the Shroud of Turin. In fact the plant imprint also appears to be a negative image, just like the Shroud, and when photographed a positive imprint appears on the negative plate.

Vockringer Patterns exhibiting positive and negative characteristics

I decided to explore this similarity in more detail. I was hoping that by understanding how Volckringer Patterns are produced, it would give me some idea of how the Shroud body image was produced. Using a spectrophotomer I did a color comparison between the Volckringer patterns and the Shroud body image. Within experimental error, I showed that the Volckringer patterns were identical in color to the Shroud body image. I than compared the Shroud and Volckringer patterns using UV Fluorescent studies. It was shown that both the Volckringer patterns and the Shroud body image do not fluoresce under UV light. Thus the Volckringer patterns and Shroud body image also have identical UV fluorescent characteristics.

The most startling similarity was that the Volckringer patterns could be reconstructed in 3D relief using a VP-8 analyizer, just like the Shroud body image.

3-D Reconstruction of a Volckringer pattern

In summary, Vockringer patterns resemble the Shroud body image in negativity, visible color characteristics, UV fluorescence properties, and 3D reconstruction.

Volckringer patterns are produced when acids from the plant are transfered to the paper causing cellulose degradation (oxidation). The most prominent plant acid in this process is lactic acid. Where would lactic acid fit in with the Shroud body image formation process? Human perspiration contains a certain amount of lactic acid. A person who had been tortured and crucified would have sweated profusely and medical studies have shown that this perspiration would have very high concentrations of lactic acid. Thus, this could have been the transferring agent involved in producing the body image on the Shroud. The lactic acid would have been transferred to the cloth by both direct contact and vertical diffusion. Areas of the body like the nose that touched the cloth would transfer the lactic acid by direct contact. In the areas further away that did not touch the cloth, i.e the cheeks, the lactic acid would travel to the cloth by diffusion. Thus two processes, both direct contact and vertical diffusion would transfer the lactic acid to the cloth. Than this acid would oxidize the cellulose in the linen and produce the image over a period of time. It may be that originally there was no image on the cloth and after many years the lactic acid working on the cloth eventually developed the image. This is what occurs with the plant matter in books. My theory does not answer all the questions. Some problems are that the Shroud body image is a surface phenomena but the Volckringer patterns are not. They penetrate into the paper. Also calculations using diffusion of lactic acid would not produce the high resolution of the image we see on the Shroud. Thus my theory does not explain all the characteristics of the Shroud and more research needs to be done. Thus no one theory to date can explain how the image on the Shroud was produced.






Leonardo da Vinci: Photo-image Theory

Is it possible that the Shroud had been created by Leonardo da Vinci?

Leonardo was authorized or allowed to dissect corpses. Leonardo, being religious was aware of everything written about Jesus from the New Testament. Leonardo was a pioneer if not the inventor of the camera obscura and he was knowledgeable about photographic chemicals. Acquiring an old cloth should not have been difficult for Leonardo. The body on the Shroud has unusual dimensions due, obviously, to distortions based on the camera obscura method. The head on the Shroud does not join the body. This is simply explained as follows: the head on the Shroud is that of Leonardo!






Shroud of Turin or Carbon 14


This article was contributed to World-Mysteries.com by Doug Yurchey

Pick one! One is true, the other is false.
It is either the Shroud of Turin is a fraud and Carbon 14 is an accurate time-measuring instrument.....or, the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ and Carbon 14 is NOT an accurate time-measuring device.



Everything about the Shroud rings true: It is the material used for burial shrouds 2000 years ago in the area of the Holy Land. There is a wound indicated in the chest area. There is the exact number of lashes from a whipping on the back as stated in the Bible. Religious portraits of stigmata are not accurate when they show wounds in the palm of the hands. Nails, creating the wounds in the palms, could not hold the body on the cross. Tests on cadavers prove that bones in the hand are not strong enough to sustain a body's weight. Nails rip through hand bones and the body falls. On the Shroud, the wounds are at the wrist which can sustain the weight of a body. A religious forger, making a fraudulent Shroud would have placed the wounds in the palms...not at the wrists. The crown of thorns was not a round wreath as we also see in religious portrayals, but a hat of thorns. The trails of blood on Turin's burial cloth are sensible; they conform to the flow of gravity. Also...why is there blood at all when the body was cleaned, then wrapped and the fact that no blood flows from a corpse?

The most amazing evidence to the reality of the Shroud is that it is a PHOTOGRAPHIC NEGATIVE.
Secondo Pia was the Shroud's first photographer. The Italian photographed this
faint image on a light-colored material. To his great surprise, when Pia examined his negatives, there was a positive image! By photographing the negative, you have created a positive. The faint image became a light image on a black background. Details emerged that astounded viewers and enlarged the Shroud's controversy.

What could have formed this negative? It certainly was not a 1000 year old artist faking a holy relic. Some say the image captures the moment of Christ's resurrection. Others say that the image was a scorching emanating out due to RADIATION. There were reports that after the Hiroshima blast, pieces of glass were found with negative images of people's faces. These were people who had their faces near windows when the atomic bomb exploded. Radiation does cause negative imprinting.

What is it that tells scientists that the Shroud of TURIN is a fake? Answer: Carbon 14. Are you so sure that Carbon 14 is accurate? Science needs an UNDER-estimate for many ancient mysteries that baffle us and do not fit the traditional picture. In the same way, Science needs a Rosetta Stone (which also is untrue)...so they can think they understand something that is not understandable. Mysterious artifacts are much older than what Carbon 14 indicates. Traditional scientists say there was a smooth progression of knowledge and technology; in the past, it was primitive and in modern times...it is advanced. Anything that disturbs this narrow (flat-Earth) view is not accepted. Carbon 14 is perfect for this agenda.

The truth is the mysterious relics of the past are even more mysterious. The truth is you have to take the date Carbon 14 gives you and multiply it by at least a factor of 3.

[This writer knew this back in the 1970s. When I heard that they were going to date the Shroud with Carbon 14, I thought to myself: NO! My sources told me exactly what is stated in the above paragraph.]

The Shroud was tested with Carbon 14 and the rest is history. Now, the scientific world does not believe in the Turin relic because their holy measuring device said it was only 6-700 years old. Scientists are supposed to be open-minded, not stuck to a canon of unchanging principles. Maybe there are some things that we have to take on a little bit of faith.



NOTE: Doug Yurchey is a writer, artist and inventor. He has studied ancient mysteries for 30 years and was married to a trans-channel. He has lectured at Carnegie Mellon University and California State at Northridge. For two years a background artist with the Simpsons TV Show, Doug Yurchey now promotes his unique theories.

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News Articles


Tests Show Shroud Of Turin Much Older Than Carbon-14 Date

October 6, 2000 - Sightings - Oviedo, Spain

Scientists and forensic specialists gathered in Oviedo, Spain, this week to examine an obscure relic that many have claimed authenticates the Shroud of Turin - believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ.
The Sudarium of Oviedo is reportedly the other linen cloth found in the tomb of Christ, as described in the Gospel of John.
The relic, whose dramatic history is intertwined with the Knights Templar, Moors, El Cid, saints and bishops, has been in Spain since 631 A.D.
Meanwhile, in Turin, Italy, the last pilgrims of the Jubilee Year are winding their way past the Shroud of Turin before the exhibit closes on October 23.
Verses 5-8 of the 20th chapter of "The Gospel According to St. John" records, "... he went into the tomb and saw the burial cloths there and the cloth that had covered his head, not with the burial cloths, but rolled up in a separate place."
This head cloth, the sudarium, has become the focus of increasing debates over the validity of the carbon-14 tests on the Shroud of Turin.
The carbon-dating tests set the age of the shroud in the 13th century, which would make the Shroud of Turin a pious icon at best, a clever fraud at worst.
However, the scientific community is divided over the shroud dates because -- with the exception of the carbon dating tests -- medical, artistic, forensic and botanical evidence favors the authenticity of the shroud of Turin as the burial cloth of Jesus.
One example of microscopic testing that supports the Shroud as authentic is the 1978 sample of dirt taken from the foot region of the burial linen. The dirt was analyzed at the Hercules Aerospace Laboratory in Salt Lake, Utah, where experts identified crystals of travertine argonite, a relatively rare form of calcite found near the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem.
It is a stretch, say researchers, that a 13th century forger would have known to take the trouble to impregnate the linen with marble dust found near Golgotha in order to fool scientists six hundred years later.
The debate over the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin is elevated by the new discoveries resulting from the studies on the Sudarium of Oviedo.
Unlike the Shroud, the Sudarium, which covered the face of Christ for a short time before the body was wrapped in the longer burial cloth, does not carry an image of a man. Instead, the cloth, held against a face of a man who had been beaten about the head, shows a distinct facial impression and pattern of stains.
The cloth is impregnated with blood and lymph stains that match the blood type on the Shroud of Turin. The pattern and measurements of stains indicate the placement of the cloth over the face.
These patterns have been extensively mapped to enable researchers to compare the markings and measurements with those of the Shroud of Turin.
These measurements and calculations, digitized videos and other forensic evidence indicate that the Sudarium of Oviedo covered the same head whose image is found on the Shroud of Turin.
Part of Jewish burial custom was to cover the face of the dead, sparing the family further distress. The sudarium, from the Latin for "face cloth," would have been wrapped over the head of the crucified Christ awaiting permission from Pontius Pilate to remove the body.
Stains made at that time indicate a vertical position with the head at an angle. There are stains from deep puncture wounds on the portion of the cloth covering the back of the head, consistent with those puncture marks found on the Shroud of Turin, theoretically made by the caplet of thorns
A separate set of stains, superimposed upon the first set, was made when the crucified man was laid horizontally and lymph flowed out from the nostrils.
The composition of the stains, say the Investigation Team from the Spanish Centre for Sindology, who began the first sudarium studies in 1989, is one part blood -- type AB -- and six parts pulmonary oedema fluid.
This fluid is significant, say researchers, because it indicates that the man died from asphyxiation, the cause of death for victims of crucifixion.
Recently, Dr. Alan Whanger, professor emeritus of Duke University, employed his Polarized Image Overlay Technique to study correlations between the Shroud and the Sudarium. Dr. Whanger found 70 points of correlation on the front of the sudarium and 50 on the back.
"The only reasonable conclusion," says Mark Guscin, author of "The Oviedo Cloth," "is that the Sudarium of Oviedo covered the same head as that found on the Shroud of Turin." Guscin, a British scholar whose study is the only English language book on the Sudarium, told WorldNetDaily, "This can be uncomfortable for scientists with a predetermined viewpoint; I mean, the evidence grows that this cloth and the Shroud covered the same tortured man."
Guscin also points to pollen studies done by Max Frei of Switzerland.
Specific pollens from Palestine are found in both relics, while the Sudarium has pollen from Egypt and Spain that is not found on the Shroud.
Conversely, pollen grains from plant species indigenous to Turkey are imbedded in the Shroud, but not the Sudarium, supporting the theory of their different histories after leaving Jerusalem.
The significance of the Sudarium to the Shroud, in addition to the forensic evidence, is that the history of the Sudarium is undisputed. While the history of the Shroud is veiled in the mists of the Middle Ages, the Sudarium was a revered relic preserved from the days of the crucifixion.
A simple cloth of little value, other than that it contained the Blood of Christ, the Sudarium accompanied a presbyter named Philip and other Christians fleeing Palestine in 616 A.D. ahead of the Persian invasion.
Passing through Alexandria, Egypt, and into Spain at Cartegena, the oak chest containing the Sudarium was entrusted to Leandro, bishop of Seville. In 657 it was moved to Toledo, then in 718 on to northern Spain to escape the advancing Moors.
The Sudarium was hidden in the mountains of Asturias in a cave known as Montesacro until king Alfonso II, having battled back the Moors, built a chapel in Oviedo to house it in 840 AD.
The most riveting date in the Sudarium's history is March 14, 1075. On this date, King Alfonso VI, his sister and Rodrigo Diaz Vivar (El Cid) opened the chest after days of fasting. This official act of the king was recorded and the document is preserved in the Capitular Archives at the Cathedral of San Salvador in Oviedo. The King had the oak chest covered in silver and an inscription added which reads, "The Sacred Sudarium of Our Lord Jesus Christ."
Juan Ignacio Moreno, a Spanish magistrate based in Burgos, Spain, asks the critical question. "The scientific and medical studies on the Sudarium prove that it was the covering for the same man whose image is [on] the Shroud of Turin.
We know that the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 600s. How, then, can the radio carbon dating claiming the Shroud is only from the 13th century be accurate?"

Pollen traces suggest that Shroud of Turin originated before eighth century, near Jerusalem
July 3, 1999 - AP

A new analysis of pollen grains and plant images on the Shroud of Turin places its origin to Jerusalem before the eighth century, giving a boost to those who believe the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus and refuting a 1988 examination by scientists that concluded the shroud was made between 1260 and 1390.
The earlier study also indicated the shroud came from Europe rather than the Holy Land.
"We have identified by images and by pollen grains species on the shroud restricted to the vicinity of Jerusalem," botany professor Avinoam Danin of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem said Monday during the International Botanical Congress here. "The sayings that the shroud is from European origin can't hold."
More than 4,000 scientists from 100 countries are taking part in the botanical conference, which focuses on a wide range of issues related to plants.
The shroud contains pollen grains and the image of a crucified man, as well as faint images of plants.
Analysis of the floral images, and a separate analysis of the pollen grains by another botanist, Uri Baruch, identified a combination of plant species that could be found only in March and April in the region of Jerusalem, Danin said.
Danin identified a high density of pollen of the tumbleweed Gundelia tournefortii. The analysis also found the bean caper Zygophyllum dumosum. The two species coexist in a limited area, Danin said.
"This combination of flowers can be found in only one region of the world," he said. "The evidence clearly points to a floral grouping from the area surrounding Jerusalem."
An image of the Gundelia tournefortii can be seen near the image of the man's shoulder. Some experts have suggested that the plant was used for the "crown of thorns."
Two pollen grains of the species were also found on the Sudarium of Oviedo, believed to be the burial face cloth of Jesus.
Danin, who has done extensive study on plants in Jerusalem, said the pollen grains are native to the Gaza Strip.
Since the Sudarium of Oviedo has resided in the Cathedral of Oviedo in Spain since the 8th century, Danin said that the matchup of pollen grains pushes the shroud's date to a similar age. Both cloths also carry type AB blood stains in similar patterns, Danin said.
"The pollen association and the similarities in the blood stains in the two cloths provide clear evidence that the shroud originated before the 8th Century," Danin said.
The location of the Sudarium of Oviedo has been documented since the first century. If it is found that the two cloths are linked, then the shroud could date back even further, Danin said.
The 1988 study used carbon-14 dating tests. Danin noted that the earlier study looked at only a single sample, while he used the entire piece of fabric.



BOOKS & Video


The Blood and the Shroud: New Evidence That the World's Most Sacred Relic Is Real
by Ian Wilson

Ian Wilson's well-written and intelligent book gives a balanced view of evidence for and against the Shroud of Turin's authenticity (including new finds such as the presence of human blood and DNA on the Shroud), and along the way, provides a fascinating discussion of subjects ranging from capital punishment in first-century Palestine to the chemistry of radiocarbon dating. For Wilson, the Shroud's ultimate significance resides in the very fact of Christians' fascination with it. The Shroud represents the possibility that the Resurrection actually happened; if there's any chance the Shroud is authentic, and if that chance excites you, then historical facts are a crucial aspect of your faith. Given that, the Shroud of Turin becomes much more than a curiosity for cranks and crazies. It's a valuable incitement to introspection for all believers. --Michael Joseph Gross



The Resurrection of the Shroud: New Scientific, Medical, and Archeological Evidence
by Mark Antonacci

In Resurrection of the Shroud , Mark Antonacci authoritatively and scientifically challenges radiocarbon testing and presents new evidence in determining the Shroud's true age.



Jesus and the Shroud of Turin (1999)
VHS; Theatrical Release Date: January 1, 1999
Video Release Date: March 2, 1999

This video is an excellent documentary of the Shroud's history and scientific investigation. It is easy to understand and quite entertaining as it was filmed in many international settings. The Shroud is not a "dead" issue.



The Shroud of Turin :
The Most Up-To-Date Analysis of All the Facts Regarding the Church's Controversial Relic[/b
by C. Bernard Ruffin (September 1999)



[b]Relic, Icon or Hoax? : Carbon Dating the Turin Shroud
by H. E. Gove (December 1996)


The Second Messiah :
Templars, the Turin Shroud and the Great Secret of Freemasonry
by Christopher Knight, Robert Lomas

The the shroud itself is a piece of herringbone patterned linen in a 3:1 twill weave. This type of cloth came into use in Europe at the beginning of the 14th Century. Lomas and Knight accept that it would not be impossible for this to have been produced in the first century, however it is unlikely. It is also true, according to the authors, that of all the pollen deposits found embedded in the cloth, no pollen from olive trees has been found, and Israel has always had a high number of these plants. Radiocarbon dating has shown that the flax plants which were used to make the shroud had ceased to live between 1260 and 1390 AD.


On the image itself, Lomas and Knight deduced that the victim whose image the shroud bears was nailed with his right arm over his head and his left arm out sideways. This also corresponds with the observation that the right shoulder on the shroud appears to be dislocated. This conflicts with the traditional crucifixion in which the arms are stretched out sideways to promote great difficulties in breathing. the positioning of the arms on the shroud itself indicates that the victim was not laying on a flat surface, but on a soft padded surface when the image was made. With the head and shoulders raised to assist breathing, and the body heat that would be needed for the chemical process that created the image on the shroud, it suggests that the victim was not only alive, but was intended to recover.


in 1307, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar was a man called Jacques de Molay. In their book, Lomas and Knight demonstrate that the French king Philip IV had planned to restore his fractured economy by stealing the wealth accumilated by the Knights Templar. Prior to Friday 13th October 1307, the Knights Templar had been a holy order but on this day the Paris Inquisition took 15,000 members, including de Molay and also took control of the Paris Temple. William Imbert was ordered by king Philip to extract a confession from de Molay by whatever means necessary but under no cicumstances was he to kill him.. Lomas and Knight produce evidence to show that one Templar, John of Foligny, confessed to the inquisition that there was a 'secret place' inside the Temple which Lomas and Knight believe resembeld a modern Masonic temple, complete with four items within a wooden chest- a human skull, two thigh bones and a white burial shroud (which is still used today in the ritual of the living ressurection just as it was in the Jerusalem Chuch and by the Knights Templar). According to Lomas and Knight, de Molay was interrogated in the Paris Temple. Lomas and Knight believe that Imbert was outraged at the Templars use of a ressurection ceremony which he felt insulted the resurrection of Jesus, and as a form of irony intended that Molay should suffer as Jesus had. They believe thay Molay was nailed most probably to a large wooden door in the manner described above. They believe that when his right arm was raised above his head and the nail driven through the wrist, that the impact from the nail caused his thumb to swing violently across his palm and dislocated at the joint. This concurs with medical examinations of the shroud.


This trauma would have produced large amounts of lactic acid, leading to 'metabolic acidosis' this produces severe cramps and was not helped by the fact Molay would not have been able to breathe propperly. This would have caused 'respiratory acidosis'. It was at this point, Lomas and Knight believe, that Molay was taken down and covered with the shroud found within the wooden chest to show that his "mocking use of a shroud had not gone unnoticed by the Holy Inquisition". Molay was then placed into the same bed that he had been dragged from, supporting the notion that the man on the shroud had been on a soft surface at the time the image was made. As Molay had no family in the area to care for him, Lomas and Knight believe that the family of his right hand man, that of Jean de Charney was called in to care for him. The Charney family removed the shroud and nursed him to health, though the scars never healed and some years later Molay showed papal representatives the extent of his injuries. The shroud which was bloodied, but a useful cloth, was washed and put away.


The shrouds first display was in a small church in the French town of Lirey in 1357. Interestingly, it was lent to the church by the widow of Geoffrey de Charney, a decendant of the family that Lomas and Knight believe cared for Molay after his tourture. This would explain why this shroud came into their possession.


Researcher: Faint writing seen on Shroud of Turin

By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Ariel David, Associated Press Writer 32 mins ago
ROME "A Vatican researcher has rekindled the age-old debate over the Shroud of Turin, saying that faint writing on the linen proves it was the burial cloth of Jesus.
Experts say the historian may be reading too much into the markings, and they stand by carbon-dating that points to the shroud being a medieval forgery.
Barbara Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says in a new book that she used computer-enhanced images of the shroud to decipher faintly written words in Greek, Latin and Aramaic scattered across the cloth.
She asserts that the words include the name "(J)esu(s) Nazarene" " or Jesus of Nazareth " in Greek. That, she said, proves the text could not be of medieval origin because no Christian at the time, even a forger, would have mentioned Jesus without referring to his divinity. Failing to do so would risk being branded a heretic.

"Even someone intent on forging a relic would have had all the reasons to place the signs of divinity on this object," Frale said Friday. "Had we found 'Christ' or the 'Son of God' we could have considered it a hoax, or a devotional inscription."

The shroud bears the figure of a crucified man, complete with blood seeping from his hands and feet, and believers say Christ's image was recorded on the linen's fibers at the time of his resurrection.
The fragile artifact, owned by the Vatican, is kept locked in a protective chamber in a Turin cathedral and is rarely shown. Measuring 13 feet (four meters) long and three feet (one meter) wide, the shroud has suffered severe damage through the centuries, including from fire.
The Catholic Church makes no claims about the cloth's authenticity, but says it is a powerful symbol of Christ's suffering.
There has been strong debate about it in the scientific community.
Skeptics point out that radiocarbon dating conducted on the cloth in 1988 determined it was made in the 13th or 14th century.
But Raymond Rogers of Los Alamos National Laboratory said in 2005 that the tested threads came from patches used to repair the shroud after a fire. Rogers, who died shortly after publishing his findings, calculated it is 1,300 to 3,000 years old and could easily date from Jesus' era.

Another study, by the Hebrew University, concluded that pollen and plant images on the shroud showed it originated in the area around Jerusalem sometime before the eighth century.
While faint letters scattered around the face on the shroud were seen decades ago, serious researchers dismissed them, due to the results of the radiocarbon dating test, Frale told The Associated Press.
But when she cut out the words from enhanced photos of the shroud and showed them to experts, they concurred the writing style was typical of the Middle East in the first century "Jesus' time.

She believes the text was written on a document by a clerk and glued to the shroud over the face so the body could be identified by relatives and buried properly. Metals in the ink used at the time may have allowed the writing to transfer to the linen, Frale said.
She said she counted at least 11 words in her study of enhanced images produced by French scientists in a 1994 study. The words are fragmented and scattered on and around the image's head, crisscrossing the cloth vertically and horizontally.
One short sequence of Aramaic letters has not been fully translated. Another fragment in Greek " "iber" " may refer to Emperor Tiberius, who reigned at the time of Jesus' crucifixion, Frale said.
She said the text also partially confirms the Gospels' account of Jesus' final moments. A fragment in Greek that can be read as "removed at the ninth hour" may refer to Christ's time of death reported in the holy texts, she said.

In her book "The Shroud of Jesus Nazarene," published in Italian, Frale reconstructs from the lettering on the shroud what she believes Jesus' death certificate said: "Jesus Nazarene. Found (guilty of inciting the people to revolt). Put to death in the year 16 of Tiberius. Taken down at the ninth hour."
She said the text then stipulates the body will returned to relatives after a year.

Frale said her research was done without the support of the Vatican.
"I tried to be objective and leave religious issues aside," Frale told the AP. "What I studied was an ancient document that certifies the execution of a man, in a specific time and place."
Frale's work usually focuses on medieval documents. She is noted for research on the order of the Knights Templar and her discovery of unpublished documents on the group in the Vatican's archives.
Earlier this year, she published a study saying the Templars once had the shroud in their possession. That raised eyebrows because the order was abolished in the early 14th century and the shroud is first recorded in history around 1360 in the hands of a French knight.

Her latest book on the shroud raised even more doubts among some experts.
On one hand, it is true that a medieval forger would label the object with Christ's name, as were all relics produced at the time, said Antonio Lombatti, a church historian who has written about the shroud. The problem is that there are no inscriptions to be seen in the first place.
"People work on grainy photos and think they see things," Lombatti told the AP. "It's all the result of imagination and computer software. ... If you look at a photo of the shroud, there's a lot of contrast between light and dark, but there are no letters."
Further criticizing Frale's work, Lombatti said that artifacts bearing Greek and Aramaic texts were found in Jewish burials from the first century, but the use of Latin is unheard of.

He also rejected the idea that authorities would officially return the body of a crucified man to relatives after filling out some paperwork. Victims of that form of execution used by the Romans would usually be left on the cross or were disposed of in a dump to add to its deterrent.
Lombatti said "the message was that you won't even have a tomb to cry over."
Another shroud expert, Gian Marco Rinaldi, said that even scientists who believe in the relic's authenticity have dismissed as unreliable the images on which Frale's study was based.

"These computer enhancements increase contrast in an unrealistic way to bring out these signs," he said. "You can find them all over the shroud, not just near the head, and then with a bit of imagination, you see letters."
Unusual sightings in the shroud are common and are often proved false, said Luigi Garlaschelli, a professor of chemistry at the University of Pavia. He recently led a team of experts that reproduced the shroud using materials and methods available in the 14th century "proof", they said, that it could have been made by a human hand in the Middle Ages.

Decades ago, entire studies were published on coins purportedly seen on Jesus' closed eyes, but when high-definition images were taken during a 2002 restoration, the artifacts were nowhere to be seen and the theory was dropped, Garlaschelli said.
He said any theory about ink and metals would have to be checked by analysis of the shroud itself.

The last public display of the shroud was in 2000, when more than 1 million people turned up to see it. The next is scheduled for 2010, and Pope Benedict XVI has been asked to visit it.
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Shroud of Turin quotes: Unclassified quotes: November 2007
The following are quotes added to my Shroud of Turin unclassified quotes in November 2007. See copyright conditions at end.
[May, Jun, Jul, Aug (1), Aug (2), Sep, Oct, Dec]



1/11/2007

"The subject of this book is a mysterious length of old cloth preserved in Turin Cathedral. It has been called various names in successive ages by different people. When I first felt its fascination more than twenty years ago, we non-Italians usually referred to it by its traditional Latin name of Sudarium Taurinensis, or sweatcloth of Turin; but other names are more popular today. In Turin and the rest of Italy it is known to millions of Catholics as `la Santa Sindone' or just `la Sindone', and to an ever-increasing number of English-speaking people throughout Christendom and beyond it is becoming known as `the Holy Shroud of Turin', 'the Turin Shroud' or simply 'the Shroud'. There is something apt and familiar about the simplicity of that monosyllable, and an unspoken claim lies in its juxtaposition with the definite article. Other shrouds are preserved in other places, of course, just as there were other dukes alive in the days of Wellington: but this one - paradoxically - is unique. The Shroud." (McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering
UK, 1978, p.21. Emphasis original)

1/11/2007

"On the face of it, the very idea that the linen cloth in which Jesus Christ was wrapped in the tomb should have survived to this day would seem incredible. It demands even more of human credulity that the cloth bears a photographic likeness which would seem to be that of Jesus as he lay in the tomb. Yet it is on the evidence for these two seemingly impossible facts that this book has been written. The cloth in question is known by the Italians as the Santa Sindone, or Holy Shroud. It reposes within Turin's Cathedral of St. John the Baptist, in the circular, black marble Royal Chapel, designed by Guarino Guarini, which was once the place of private worship for the dukes of Savoy, former rulers of Italy." (Wilson, I., "The Shroud of Turin: The Burial Cloth of Jesus?," [1978], Image Books: New York NY, Revised edition, 1979, p.13)


6/11/2007

"Pia's glass plates measured 51 by 63 centimetres, and are preserved in the Museum of the Holy Shroud at Via San Domenico 28 in Turin. He took them home post-haste, leaving his assistants to clear up the Cathedral, and when he developed the first of them he nearly jumped out of his skin: in fact he records that he almost let the plate drop in his astonished excitement. For under his very eyes had formed something new and totally unsuspected, a commanding face of calm and majestic beauty which none of the millions of devoted worshippers in the past had ever seen before. Indeed one of the staggering facts about the Shroud is that although to our certain knowledge it has been venerated as a sacred relic since the fourteenth century, the face which we now see reproduced on the cover of this book (and which is so hauntingly familiar to many of us) was not seen until the small hours of 29 May 1898, just over eighty years ago - in fact within living memory."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.26-27)


6/11/2007

"The explanation is in one sense simple, in another sense baffling. It seems that what meets the naked eye in looking at the Shroud is very like a photographic negative, which, when photographed, becomes positive in the negative of the photograph, when the scuro turns chiaro and the chiaro, scuro. The striking face which Pia first saw in 1898 is the positive preserved for centuries in the arcane negative of the Turin Shroud, which awaited the nineteenth-century invention of photography to reveal it. People who maintain that the image on the Shroud is a medieval fake argue that what has happened here is the well-attested process known in the art world as `reversal'. In a letter to the Observer of 9, April 1978, for instance, Mr John Parker (echoing the Catholic Encyclopaedia of 1912) claimed that "the yellow colouring that represented the sweat of Christ has darkened to brown, through exposure to light and heat, thus converting the pristine `lights' to present `shades' and producing the accidental `negative photo' effects." This solution might be plausible enough if the image of the Shroud-Man had been painted, but I repeat that scientists have detected no trace of any pigment on the Shroud."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.27)

6/11/2007

"Two of the most eminent opponents of the Shroud in the decade after the revealing negative of 1898 were a French Canon and an English Jesuit. Ulisse Chevalier (1841-1923) was a distinguished clerical scholar - in fact he was probably the most meticulous medievalist that France has ever produced. In 1899, 1900, 1902, and again in 1903 he threw the whole weight of his immense reputation for erudition into disproving the authenticity of the Shroud, and at least his E'tude critique sur l'origine du St Suaire de Lirey-Chambéry-Turin (Paris, 1900) should be read and pondered by any serious inquirer today before he leaps to a facile conclusion. At much the same time Father Herbert Thurston, S.J. (1856-1939), weighed in at a more popular level of scholarship and voiced the rational disbelief of many Catholic and most Protestant historians in Britain. He concluded his influential essay of 1903 entitled The Holy Shroud and the Verdict of History with these confident words: `The case [against the Shroud's authenticity] is here so strong that [ ... ] the probability of an error in the verdict of history must be accounted, it seems to me, as almost infinitesimal.'"
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.28. Ellipses original)



6/11/2007

"The irony of those opening years of this century was that some of the top intellectual brass of the Catholic Establishment outside Italy opposed the authenticity of the Shroud, while some of the most distinguished lay agnostic scientists were openly championing it. On 21, April 1902, for instance, Yves Delage (1854-1920), a very eminent Professor of Comparative Anatomy at the Sorbonne, who was known for his uncompromising stand against supernaturalism, gave a lecture on the Shroud before the Academie Française in which he declared his belief in its authenticity (and jeopardised his career in so doing). In the same year came out the careful scientific study entitled Le Linceul du Christ by Paul Vignon (1865-c1940), also of the Sorbonne, but later Professor of Biology at the Institut Catholique (Paris) and one of the Shroud's most convinced and able apologists of this century."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.28. Ellipses original)



6/11/2007

"Before the fourteenth century was out, this late arrival on the scene had acquired the two most dangerous and seemingly best informed - opponents in its entire history. Both were Bishops, and both appear to have been men of exceptional probity in their generation. It is quite possible that the Shroud was not exposed at Lirey in Geoffroi's lifetime, but it is difficult to unravel the circumstances of its public debut with any accuracy. What seems reasonably certain is that within a year of Geoffroi's death the Bishop of Troyes, Henri de Poitiers, was already condemning the cult of this `false' relic; and late in the year 1389 one of his successors in the see, Pierre d'Arcis, drew up a comprehensive memorandum for the Avignon Antipope Clement VII in which he claimed that the Shroud, far from being authentic, was the work of an artist who had confessed to the fraud. Here, in Herbert Thurston's translation, is the most damning passage from this forthright document, with the original Latin of some of the key sentences in parentheses: `The case, Holy Father, stands thus. Some time since in this diocese of Troyes the Dean of a certain collegiate church, to wit, that of Lirey, falsely and deceitfully, being consumed with the passion of avarice, and not from any motive of devotion but only of gain, procured for his church a certain cloth cunningly painted, upon which by a clever sleight of hand was depicted the twofold image of one man, that is to say, the back and front, he falsely declaring and pretending that this was the actual shroud in which our Saviour Jesus Christ was enfolded in the tomb, and upon which the whole likeness of the Saviour had remained thus impressed together with the wounds which He bore. This story was put about not only in the kingdom of France, but, so to speak, throughout the world, so that from all parts people came together to view it. And further to attract the multitude so that money cunningly be wrung from them, pretended miracles were worked, certain men being hired to represent themselves as healed at the moment of the exhibition of the shroud, which all believed to be the shroud of our Lord. The Lord Henry of Poitiers, of pious memory, then Bishop of Troyes, becoming aware of this, and urged by many prudent persons to take action, as indeed was his duty in the exercise of his ordinary jurisdiction, set himself earnestly to work to fathom the truth of this matter. For many theologians and other wise persons declared that this could not be the real shroud of our Lord having the Saviour's likeness thus imprinted upon it, since the holy Gospel made no mention of any such imprint, while, if it had been true, it was quite unlikely that the holy Evangelists would have omitted to record it, or that the fact should have remained hidden until the present time. Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered the fraud and how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed.'
[Chevalier, Étude critique, pp. VII-XII; English translation in Thurston, `The Holy Shroud and the Verdict of History' in The Month, CI , January 1903, pp. 17-29] (McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.29-30)


6/11/2007

"Let us suppose that the carbon 14 test, if and when it is applied to the Shroud, comes up with a fourteenth century date. What then? Most of us, I imagine, would dismiss the whole thing from our minds and rue the waste of time spent in studying it. But the niggle would probably remain in more than one conscience, because the scientific evidence of authenticity in fields other than that of carbon dating appears to be so strong."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.32-33)



6/11/2007

"We are left with no viable alternative: if the Shroud-Man is not the self-signature of Christ, then it must be the work of human ingenuity, with either good or evil intent. And yet, strangely enough, the more we examine this third hypothesis - which at first sight seems so much more rational than the direct intervention of God or Devil - the more it proves the most difficult of them all to swallow. Let us spare a thought at this point for the anonymous artist of genius: who was he? What craftsman during the reign of the first two Valois Kings had the requisite skills to create so exact a representation of the naked human body? Girard d'Orleans? Jean Coste? Jean Petit called Jean de Troyes? What we know of their work would hardly suggest that any of these leading painters at the court of King John II conceived and executed the portrait of Jesus on the Turin Shroud."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.33-34)



6/11/2007

"In the past, learned historians both clerical and lay have been satisfied that this portrait was subtili modo depicta and have championed the fake hypothesis. But what is so special about this relic that, six centuries after Bishop Henri de Poitiers unmasked it for a fraud, both Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, rationalists, nothingarians, scientists and even Oxbridge dons are busy discussing it this year, and most of them (as far as I can tell) are admitting that there is more in it than meets the eye? If I had to answer in one word, I should choose the Italian polysyllable which is in the mouth of so many sindonologists today: i n f a l s i f i c a b i l e. The more we investigate this fabulous sheet and the ghostly image it bears, the more we doubt whether any fourteenth-century artist could possibly have faked it. The Shroud-Man appears to be intrinsically unfakeable."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed.,"Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.34)



6/11/2007

"Let us enumerate some of the difficulties which beset the fake hypothesis. First, as we have seen, the admixture of cotton with the linen of the Shroud seems to preclude a European provenance for its fabric, and Dr Max Frei has found that some of the pollen clinging to it came from Asia Minor and the Middle East. But this in itself is not an insuperable difficulty, because a dedicated deceiver might have used a length of cloth brought back by some crusader, or could conceivably have sought the material for his hoax in Palestine himself - although such a quest would appear to be a trifle over-sophisticated for his day and age. Secondly, and much more problematically, how on earth did the fourteenth-century faker project the image of the Shroud-Man on to the cloth? Monsieur le Truqueur painted it on, stated Bishop Pierre d'Arcis in his memorandum of 1389, and that sounds commonsensical enough until we remember that there are no brushstrokes visible on the Shroud, and no vestige of paint or any other known pigment. Another suggestion (by Dr Joseph Blinzler) is that the hoaxer made a life-size statue of a man and pressed it between the upper and nether halves of the folded linen sheet. But this proposed solution bristles with every sort of difficulty. In the first place, is there any record or tradition of sculpture to this degree of stark anatomical realism in mid-fourteenth-century France? (The first Lirey expositions of the Shroud occurred one generation before the birth of Brunelleschi and Donatello in Florence.)"
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.34)



6/11/2007

"In the second place, the mere act of pressing alone, without pigment applied to the statue, would not have left any image on the cloth; and, in the third place, even if it had, it would have produced an image not perfect in proportion but distorted by physical contact, as anyone can confirm by the simple experiment of
blacking his face with burnt cork and then pressing his handkerchief all over it. The basic fact remains: we just do not know by what natural means such an image could have been impressed upon the Shroud."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.34-35)

6/11/2007

"Thirdly, we have to account for the mysterious business of the photographic-type negative. We have already seen that it cannot be explained by `reversal' because there is no paint on the Shroud. Yet there must be some natural explanation if the relic is a man-made fake. It would be an unusually clairvoyant and altruistic scoundrel who would perpetrate a hoax so subtle that none of his own generation, nor his children, nor children's children down to the tenth generation could appreciate it with their naked eyes, but which depended for its full impact and effect on the invention of photography five hundred years later."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.35)



6/11/2007

"But perhaps the most staggering clue to the genius of this hypothetical artist is that he has depicted Jesus with the nail-wound in his wrist. In France, Italy, Spain and elsewhere I have studied hundreds of paintings, sculptures and carvings of Christ's crucifixion and deposition from the thirteenth to the sixteenth centuries, and not one of them shows the nail-wound anywhere but in the palm of his hand. It is not until we come to Van Dyck in the seventeenth century that we find the first representation of Christ with the nail-wound through the wrist. His painting hangs in the Palazzo Reale in Genoa, a city in which he lived for some time, and it is possible that he may have been influenced in this detail by seeing the Shroud in passing through Turin. Why did our fourteenth-century faker, against all the cultural conditioning of his times, place the nail-wound not in the palm but in the wrist? Anatomy and archaeology have since proved that he was perfectly correct. Dr Pierre Barbet, chief surgeon at the Paris hospital of St Joseph in the 1930s, conducted some revealing if macabre experiments with corpses and amputated limbs at that time. He established the fact that the weight of a human body would cause the nail to tear the flesh right up between the fingers if driven through the palm, because no bone would bar its way; whereas wrist-nailing ensured that the body stayed pinned to the patibulum of the cross when it was hoisted on to the stipes, which was already impaled in the ground at the place of execution. It is surely no dishonour to medieval artists that they did not know this gruesome detail, for only in recent times have archaeologists, historians and medical men begun to rediscover the horrific techniques employed in crucifixion - once all too well known in the Roman Empire; but mercifully forgotten after Constantine abolished this form of capital punishment in 315 AD. Knowledge of the precise physical pains which Christ suffered had been lost long before any medieval artist began to depict them. The Gospels say his hands were nailed, so painters and sculptors naturally represented the wound in the palm. How then did the fourteenth-century faker, who lived a thousand years after the abolition of crucifixion, know this telling and authentic detail of wrist-nailing? For authentic it was proved to be just over ten years ago, when the first known remains of a victim of crucifixion came to light in the outskirts of Jerusalem - a man in his mid-twenties called Jehohanan. His heelbones were transfixed by a single nail and he had suffered the usual crurifragium. Although the nails were missing from his wrists, they had left on the radial bone their telltale marks of scratching and levigation."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.35-36)


6/11/2007

"And now for the most amazing detail of them all, which makes the fake hypothesis virtually incredible: if a nail pierces the wrist between radius and ulna, it touches the median nerve, which automatically causes the thumb to flex across the palm, so that it is invisible to anyone looking at the back of the hand. On the Turin Shroud we see the back of both the hands of Jesus Christ, but there is no sign of either thumb."
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P., ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, p.36)



6/11/2007

"Authenticity is stamped all over this enigmatic relic, which just goes on springing surprise after surprise at its mysterious perfection from year to year. The impressive matching of the scourge-marks with the pattern of two soldiers administering the flogging, one either side, one taller than the other: the angle of the bloodflows on the forearm, mathematically exact for crucifixion: the dimensions of the side-wound, and its emission of both blood and water: the stupendous witness of the wounds (in total verisimilitude) caused by the spiky cap: all these features of the Shroud-Man and many more compel us to admit the harmonious integrity of this unfakeable image. But it is above all the face which rivets our responsive gaze - 'an appearance so marred beyond human semblance, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief' (Isaiah 52.14, 53.3) - yet a face of tranquil dignity, of royal authority, of divine beauty - a countenance in a million million: unique. If the Shroud-Man looked like this in death, how did he appear in life? Toi, qui-es-tu? - asked Paul Claudel, brought face to face with the Turin Shroud and its haunting image. The answer is unavoidable: it is Jesus Christ our Lord. In the astonished words of the centurion who saw him die: `Truly this man was the Son of God!' (Mark 15.39.)"
(McNair, P., "The Shroud and History: Fantasy, Fake or Fact?," in Jennings, P.,
ed., "Face to Face with the Turin Shroud ," Mayhew-McCrimmon: Great Wakering UK, 1978, pp.36-37)

Quantum Immortality

Re: Steven Weinberg and 'Einstein's Mistakes'/Quantum Immortality.

--- In Panentheism@yahoogroups.com, "april0203ebay" wrote:
--- In Panentheism@yahoogroups.com, "khaibit1975" shadower@ wrote:

JS, do you accept "Quantum Immortality?

April


You might think of it this way April.
Is an electron immortal?
Of course it is and so is the proton as the two most elementary bulding blocks of atoms (with neutrons which only decay if 'away' from the nucleus of such an atom)

Your body, as the materialists will tell you, is made up from those 'atomic building blocks'.
But are those atoms you? Skeptics and atheist often proclaim this being so.
So in quantum terms, the constituents of your body are already immortal and can, theoretically BE anyplace in the physical universe.
As Carl Sagan has said, you are made from stardust (of supernovae as dispersing stars).

Quantum Immortality as then proposed by Tegmark, Lewis and others is imo 'hocus pocus' (using Herb's favourable sense of expressionisms).
It introduces many aspects of quantum mechanical interpretation which (in Mac's words) are extremely nonparsimonous; the Many-Worlds-Hocus Pocus being the main ingredient.

The 'scientific' debates on Quantum Immortality serve really only one ontological purpose; namely to 'kill the concept of God' and the concept of 'spirituality'.
They are so the (imo) hogwashed attempts to portray 'reductionistic science' as the 'new religion' of rational reasonings.
Ok, I won't rave on; but define Quantum Immortality in a comprehensive manner, which synthesises the 'spiritual immortality' with the 'quantum immortality of the atomic constituents.

Quantum Immortality REQUIRES a TRANSFORMATION of the atomic structure, not the atomic structure in its material essence (protons, neutrons and electrons), BUT the atomic structure in its macroquantised state, namely your entire bodyform.
So you 'keep' your atomic structures, BUT the TRUE YOU (who uses the atomic structure as a house or dress or temple) becomes enabled to SYNERGIZE the macroquantum (you as a hologram) with the microquantums (the atoms and subatoms also as holograms, but of the entire universe).

As ex-baptist this might now make some sense to you:
I'll intersperse the Quantum Physics contained in the words of Paul with the scriptural CODE:

1Corinthians.15:
³⁵But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

The body of the dead will NOT resurrect in flesh and bone (spiritual archetype in Ecclesiastes in the' valley of the bones') - but the bones (atoms) CAN become a form opf skeletal basis for the new body.

³⁶Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:


You MUST be REBORN as April in a NEW body should you like to keep the present one in a 'quickening' -this is the quantum micro-macro synergy in the holographic universe.

³⁷And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

The present April, getting older (because of somatic cellular telomere depletion in cellular mitosis and DNA blockages between dimensional genomatic induction) and expecting to physically 'die' in say 50 years; IS presently LIKE A SEED for the 'potential future body.

³⁸But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

April, AS the ambassadora for the Body of "God's Wife", namely the PHYSICAL UNIVERSE as the template for April's miniaturization harbours a 'SOUL' as part of God's Image in 'his' wife the universe. So April's Soul is the BELOVED of GOD and he has pleased himself in giving HER the body she has, SUBJECT to her self-consciousness as to what SHE is, namely the wife of God in miniaturization of the hologram.

³⁹All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

This 'fleshiness' DEFINES the graduation of the 'souls' in the physical manifestation of consciousness -determined by natural selective evolution Darwinian style, but with Epigenetic (read Lamarckian) overtures of environmental adaptations.


⁴⁰There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but theglory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

The 'glories' here are a reference to to manifestation of the Universal Consciousness of God, say as defined in previous posts. A star has an enormous 'space consciousness' due to the volume of space it occupies, a planet has less so and a moon lesser, but more than a country landmass etc.
Then of course, the solar consciousness becomes a BASE-Consciousness INTERACTING with the cosmic environment, say the solar wind. This is HOW LIFE forms in solar systems.
The communication between star and planets becomes energy exchange and the 'solar base consciousness' 'enriches' and supports the planetary evolutionary cycles on all levels.
Many levels are mineral and crystalline and gaseous; some are able to manifest aquatic environments as the prerequisite for biovital lifeforms and so on.

⁴¹There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

As in the above. Paul was a suave and clever gnostic, who understood the Gospels of John and Thomas in their archetypical and NOT historical agendas.


⁴²So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

This is the Quantum Immortality in the quantum relativistic holographic sense.
The 'decaying bodyforms' of the blocked superDNA expression and the telomerase depletion are the corruption; whilst the baseperfect DNA encoding of the synergized bodies is the incorruption.

⁴³It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Every baby that is born presently is 'born to die'. The soul assumes the bodyform KNOWING from where it came, that this cycle of the damned graves CAN be circumvented. The weakness and dependencies of babies are meant to 'mirror' the weakness of the human condition. One must 'overcome' the world of the 'bodies destined for the tomb or the fire' to 'inherit' the resurrection.

⁴⁴It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The natural body is the biological synthesis of parental sexual chromosomes, then triggering the biochemical DNA-encodings.
The spiritual body is the 'shadow body' of the soul growing, developing and evolving WITH the biochemical body and the one which serves as the memory repository and the library for the human experience in 'the souls life' in the embodiment.

⁴⁵And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Very short and succinctly; Jesus of Nazareth was the Quantum Physicist who solved the mysteries of the archetypes. Without himher NOONE will be able to attain those 'New Bodies'.
One word; skeptics beware - you are literally playing with your incarnational histories.

⁴⁶Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The archetype was a normal human bodyform, housing the supreme wisdom of the gnosis and the insights, able to decipher Isaiah. Then he died in the body and had nowhere to go, because he had solved the 'Puzzle of God'; so he (as the soul of God) simply transformed his body in resonance with the Universe's collective superconsciousness (The physics is available in technical terms for this).

⁴⁷The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Jesus of Nazareth is in heaven=wavefunction of the entire universe now; but he is also within you, April as the Lover of your soul as she. But without listening to himher, many cannot believe that this is a fact of the Quantum Holofractal Cosmology.

⁴⁸As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Earthy here is fundamental as the Particular (Individual) Part and also archetyped as the 'Hellish'; the heavenly is the Wavicular (Collective or Holistic) Part as expressed in the solution of the Schroedinger's Cat Paradox.


⁴⁹And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The Soul within everyone IS an intimate part of God. As Man your soul is the Beloved of the 'Goddess' as the Quantum-SinkSource and as Woman your soul is the Beloved of 'God' as the Quantum-SourceSink. The quantum source is the vibratory microscaled part of the wave-particle duality of the Universe in toto and the quantum sink is the winded macroscaled part of the latter.

The micro indicates characteristic wormholes and the macro indicates the scale of galactic superclusters as gravitational limit in the cosmological principle and homogeneity and isotropy.

⁵⁰Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You are born to die, UNTIL you GET IT - the quantum holographic Eucharist.

⁵¹Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

The mystery is the metamorphosis of the old April into the new April by the 'power of God', which is the soul of April.

⁵²In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Well, that is the parousia, which is coming nearer as the message sent from the galactic center about 25,624 civil years ago and which will hit the center of the earth on December 21st, 2012 and then REFLECT and travel back at lightspeed to where it came from.

⁵³For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

It was done on April 1st, 31 AD to implement the universal archetype (for all cosmic civilisations not just the one on earth, but the latter is itself destined to become an archetype as a collective civilization -hard to believe at the moment I know) and it will happen again.


⁵⁴So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
⁵⁵O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

I can't wait and hope to still be in my suffering abode, when the timeline ends.

John Shadow in the Cave of Plato for Dragonheart 111


The Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics concentrates on a 'classical treatment' of the observer and the observed; leading to a 'collapse of the wavefunction' upon the act of the observation.
This has little to do with the 'quantum phenomenon of entanglement' as is indicated in the Weinberg critique of Copenhagen below.
Summararily, Schroedinger was right in the first instance; BUT this does NOT require a Copenhagen observer.
Schroedinger's Cat is BOTH ALIVE and DEAD as the superposition of quantum selfstates and INDEPENDENT on any classical observer (looking at the cat).

The superposition is the entanglement of the collapsed and the escaped quantum eigenstates.
The cat is a living Particle-Entity with 'consciousness/soul/god' INSIDE as a collapsed wave.
And the cat is a dead Wave-Entity with a 'consciousness/soul/god' OUTSIDE as an escaped wave.
These two eigenstates define QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT of the SIMULTANEOUS
CAT, being BOTH a living body and a dead nonbody at the same time.
Why does the human mind find that this is so hard to understand?
JS

Many physicists and philosophers have objected to the Copenhagen interpretation, both on the grounds that it is non-deterministic and that it includes an undefined measurement process that converts probability functions into non-probabilistic measurements. Einstein's comments "I, at any rate, am convinced that He (God) does not throw dice and "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?" exemplify this. Bohr, in response, said "Einstein, don't tell God what to do".

Steven Weinberg in "Einstein's Mistakes", Physics Today, November 2005, page 31, said:
All this familiar story is true, but it leaves out an irony. Bohr's version of quantum mechanics was deeply flawed, but not for the reason Einstein thought. The Copenhagen interpretation describes what happens when an observer makes a measurement, but the observer and the act of
measurement are themselves treated classically. This is surely wrong:
Physicists and their apparatus must be governed by the same quantum mechanical rules that govern everything else in the universe. But these rules are expressed in terms of a wave function (or, more precisely, a state vector) that evolves in a perfectly deterministic way. So where do
the probabilistic rules of the Copenhagen interpretation come from?
Considerable progress has been made in recent years toward the resolution of the problem, which I cannot go into here. It is enough to say that neither Bohr nor Einstein had focused on the real problem with quantum mechanics. The Copenhagen rules clearly work, so they have to be
accepted. But this leaves the task of explaining them by applying the deterministic equation for the evolution of the wave function, the Schrödinger equation, to observers and their apparatus.
The problem of thinking in terms of classical measurements of a quantum system becomes particularly acute in the field of quantum cosmology, where the quantum system is the universe.

"april0203 wrote:
Thank you. I'm fixing myself some lunch, and I'll sit down here and reread this piece. I could grasp the first half well enough upon first read. I prefer to stick with science these days, as I view Scripture as a product of its time. Though you do make some compelling connections between what St. Paul wrote about the spiritual body and the quantum body.
Do you accept the Bible's teaching of hell?
April

Heaven and Hell are NOT locations, physical or 'spiritual'. They are archetypical entities, i.e WORDS or labels, which are most definitely related to the 'States of Mind' and so 'consciousness' and selfawareness as other such 'labels'.

The heaven and hell of Jesus are very real mental states'.
The sheeps and goats of the 'last judgements' are objects and their images.
The object is YOU as an individual and your image is you as a 'false identity'.

"Two will be in a field, one will be taken and one will remain" means that EVERYONES 'fake image' will literally 'go to hell' i.e. the 'lake of fire (your yin) and brimstone (your yang)'.

The 'lake' encompassing this is your 'new body' after you have 'eaten the lion'.
It is sad to hear that the skeptics and atheists have 'talked you out' of the scriptures.

The bible, if read correctly, is a 'handbook and manual' for the 'new physics' for the 21stcentury.

The trouble is simply that the expert, the theologians and historians (and as Mac has poignantly said) have little nous of how to 'interpret' the scriptures NOT as historical evidence, but as a basis in allegory and metaphor and symbolism leading the way into a total ABOLISHMENT of
dogmatic religion with their 'Fake-Gods' , Fake-Devils, Fake-Christs {Yes, the Jesus of dogmatic christianity is the false prophet in John's Revelation and the child-killing and woman-raping Jehovah of the OT is a 'Fake-God'}.

Then the trouble at the present time are not the scriptures, but the people who think they know what the scriptures mean and represent: from the Pope to your Latter Day Saint and Jonestown.

JS

April wrote:
Yes, the focus on gender is anthropomorphic, but consider the slant on my question. What I was basically wanting to know was how can God have gender without a body? I so closely connect gender and personality and consciousness. I guess I see them all intertwined.
...
That last sentence of yours hits the nail the head with me. It is what I have been trying to convey for ages. How could something without consciousness give rise to consciousness? Of course, there is emergence that cuts both ways.

One raw food guru once pointed out that all of nature is one giant sex act. Makes sense.

JS: Your guru here is absolutely correct.
The biochemical and evolutionary development began at the Big Bang, when the 'universe' was at its minimum consciousness level.
The first consciousness crystallized in the natural beta minus decay of natural radioactivity, when the primordial neutrons 'decayed' into yin-protons and yang-electrons.
The space between the nuclear core of the hydrogenic proton and the hydrogenic electron became the medium for individuated consciousness to manifest. This is SPACIAL CONSCIOUSNESS as a form of base-consciousness.
About 17 billion years later, little tadpole like creatures, inhabiting the primordial ponds on a terraforming planet first became AWARE of lightsources shining onto the pond as sunlight and as starlight.
The hydrogenic space-consciousness had evolved from an earlier material Big Bang unconsciousness into the selfawareness-consciousness of the 'tadpole'.
About 500 million years ago, the evolution of the tadpole had resuled in the archosaurs, then dinosaurs and reptilian paramammals (pecylosaurs), then mammals and the primate trees began so 6 million years ago with the australopithecines and home erectus.
The hydrogenic space consciousness is within the 'tadpole' is within the stegosaurus is within the smilodon is within Austalopithecus Afarensis is within Cleopatra is withn April is within God the Immanent.
But the hydrogenic spacial consciousness is within God the Transcendent.

April: Btw, lest I forget, I'd love to get a discussion of the Gaia Theory going on this list. But I'll have to wait for my exams to be over first...here in a few days. If I forget, I hope someone will remind me.

JS: Gaia is an archetypical label for the collective planetary consciousness as indicated above. You may in all seriousness consider the works of James Lovelock - he does indeed lock in the love!
Gaia is April the Greater and Bill the more Encompassing and John the Elevated.
The BODY and MORPHOGENETIC GESTALT of April is the archetype of Eve.
Just as Eve as archetype 'came out of Adam', so did the UNIVERSE as the Body of God, 'come out' of the NOBOBY God in transcendence.
Therefore Adam AS ARCHETYPE is the bodyimage of God in immanence mirroring the transcendence.
Bill is a REAL Adam; REALISING the archetype or template of Adam.
Bill getting to know himself as Adam True makes God very happy; because then Bill can begin to KNOW God as BEING the image of God.

Gaia is the Universe in miniature. This will become physicalized in 2012/2013 in no 'uncertain' terms.
The Mother Earth=Eve archetypy=Gaia=Gaea=Nut=Cosmos=April in hologramic selfsimilarity and DESTINY (within the present or some other BODY as the temple and WIFE of the transcendent God becoming immananent).

April wrote:
I forgot...I think I was going to say something about the electron itself being both alive and dead. They say, Spirit has to Die to Become Matter.
Is it a wave, or a particle ?

JS: Spirit doesn't die, but becomes changed from undefined into defined. The consciousness of the transcendence then becomes immanent and subject to development in interaction with whatever environment it encounters.
To allow a MAXIMUM development, the selfconsciousness of the transcendence must by MINIMIZED. This is the total forgetfulness of the Quantum Big Bang - the Universe in subconsciousness.
There exists only One electron and One particle in the transcendence. This then becomes a wavefunction of a dual nature and as described and 'solved' in the Schroedinger Kitten. Then there will be zillions (but yet a finite count) of 'particles', comprising the wavefunction in evolution.


Perhaps in a moment of death the electron becomes 'real' and 'does something' and
is 'measured' or 'judged'. Or is it a moment of life ?

JS: The reality of anything is quantum relative to the anything in the only fundamental duality of the Infinite being rendered Finite. The unmeasurable becomes measurable with the boundary between them being the Definition of anything finitized from first principles.

Allan wrote:
And then it goes off again, neither here nor there, precisely.
Perhaps string theory is, in principle, Schroedinger's last stand, his wave formula itself, neither alive nor dead, waiting patiently for its own apocalypse.

JS: The electron's apocalypse will be its metamorphosis into lightmatter. The electron and anything else defined in inertia will become hybridized in photon-matter interaction which will 'trap' the light invariance in local quantum standing waves. This is the materialisation of the 'auralike' shadow into physicality of the waveparticle duality becoming monadic.

Allan wrote: A 'waveform' standing, might can blend and morph, 'be' the atom, not an element thereof, and split and be now both this and that... and that other thing.
Perhaps...

JS: Yes, you are intuiting the above.

Allan wrote:
Schroedinger has it..
What if there are no 'strings', only Branes. And strings are the pure and abstract intersection of branes, like the lines of intersecting planes, but in a new dynamic geometry of pure information.

JS: Yes indeed; the strings are the duality and the branes are the monads, because the strings are asymptotically 'evolving' and become the information projected as the supermembranes onto a dimension one higher than the string dimension. Because of the asymptotical infinite approach of the superstrings towards its parental supermembrane mirror; the physicality of the superstring can be mapped as data onto the superphysicality of the supermembrane.
Basically, you got it Allan. Now put the 'Holographic Principle' and the Modular Duality with it and you have your NOSPACE cosmology in NOW-Time.

Allan wrote:
We strangely result, in our world. Echoes of what happened only a moment ago, guided by what is about to happen, just a moment from now.
We cannot "be" in "the now", as every electronic now, happened 'then' by the time the overall raster scan results in the next moment of 'me'. So how is it our collective elements think there is a 'now' ? This too, 'now', must be 'a strange sort of average', surfing the past, blind-actually to the future that only seems to exist more than a billionth of a second hence, yet that future tends to come. Did we really see it ? Or did we see its shadow too ?

JS: The NOW-Time is the quantum of time, defining all physicalisable parameters. So no more duration intervals become appropriate.
This is nought but the BOUNDARY between the transcendent cosmology/universe and the immanent cosmology/universe.

April wrote:
And the wave comes to shore, as usual. We saw it happening, then, in the past, even though it hadn't happened yet.
So 'reality' knows, in advance, the amazing computational result of the entire ocean.
Next. Fascinating...( and, past my bed time )

JS: Yes, indeed! The 'End of the Universe' is required to be DEFINED before the Beginning of the Universe. The forethought of the transcendent 'Father' becomes subject to the 'Afterthought' of the immanent 'Mother'.

The 'Seven Disasters', said to be encoded in crop circles, have already occurred! But much of this is supported by Thuban. The last 10 minutes describe the 'pregnancy' rather well - 25-27 minute timemarker (new bodies and the cosmic uterus and the Mother's Baby from 28-30).

[2:59:02 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[2:59:13 PM] Tonyblue: Some good points in the DM video
[2:59:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i will watch it
[2:59:33 PM] Tonyblue: You will see what he is 'channeling' here
[2:59:50 PM] Tonyblue: Still mistranslations NABS
[3:00:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah, but i like drunvalo
[3:00:03 PM] Tonyblue: I dont know how serious this Russian science is either
[3:00:14 PM] Tonyblue: Yes he is heart centred
[3:00:31 PM] Tonyblue: He is right with the basics
[3:00:48 PM] Tonyblue: Can you share this on main please, the link to heaven?
[3:00:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: sure
[3:01:01 PM] Tonyblue: Thanks I dont wanna talk there
[3:01:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: i shared it on main and core
[3:02:04 PM] Tonyblue: Gracias yes as said
[3:02:14 PM] Tonyblue: IF I have to share something i'll do it here
[3:02:32 PM] Tonyblue: I wish to be 'gone' relative to all the other forums
[3:02:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i understand
[3:02:51 PM] Tonyblue: No more 'guru' or manipulator
[3:03:08 PM] Tonyblue: Same on mists
[3:03:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh tony, you were never this
[3:03:16 PM] Tonyblue: Many took me as such
[3:03:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: stupid blind people
[3:03:34 PM] Tonyblue: They have a thread there now: why are things so quiet lol
[3:03:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i saw that today
[3:03:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: laughed
[3:03:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: they have no clue
[3:03:54 PM] Tonyblue: Yes phaseshift left as did I
[3:04:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: siriarc left yes
[3:04:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: he was sick of their blindness too
[3:04:35 PM] Tonyblue: Siriarc yes phaseshift
[3:05:21 PM] Tonyblue: Noone to stir lol
[3:05:26 PM] Tonyblue: I won't be there
[3:05:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol yeah i saw
[3:05:55 PM] Tonyblue: Can she come one day and say: " I am a dragon?"
[3:05:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: i noticed oxy has lost computer access
[3:06:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: he seems holed up in his cave waiting for the worst
[3:06:17 PM] Tonyblue: Right
[3:06:42 PM] Tonyblue: I added the LENT on cosmosdawn and heaven
[3:06:52 PM] Tonyblue: But this should be it
[3:07:05 PM] Tonyblue: Because recall those flood of the inland seas?
[3:07:15 PM] Tonyblue: This was AshWednesday
[3:07:24 PM] Tonyblue: 40 days precisely to TODAY
[3:07:34 PM] Tonyblue: So more synchro
[3:07:43 PM] Tonyblue: Februay 29th
[3:07:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah
[3:08:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: it does not make sense
[3:08:49 PM] Tonyblue: Inala was all about cosmic motherhood
[3:09:07 PM] Tonyblue: Looney tunes but is this a divine madness?
[3:10:29 PM] Tonyblue: So Isolation and Desolation EXTERNALISED see
[3:10:33 PM] Tonyblue: As written
[3:10:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: omg your right
[3:10:53 PM] Tonyblue: I am and was the male whore too so my suffering fulfilled the INTERNAL codes
[3:11:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: and you still suffer
[3:11:34 PM] Tonyblue: Hmm I will talk on Core Extension to fates and who is there
[3:11:46 PM] Tonyblue: But not often
[3:11:53 PM] Tonyblue: I will try to stay away
[3:12:11 PM] Tonyblue: Leave BH for Xeia and You and Me the YYY
[3:12:23 PM] Tonyblue: Share on core
[3:12:30 PM] Tonyblue: And also on extension
[3:12:34 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[3:12:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes we can talk there
[3:13:00 PM] Tonyblue: Not like this as here
[3:13:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: no
[3:13:16 PM] Tonyblue: I am through with 'inner data' sharing
[3:13:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: i agree
[3:13:29 PM] Tonyblue: Only generalities on extension
[3:14:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes talk about the film with him tony
[3:14:41 PM] Tonyblue: Yes tell him that I wont talk much anymore
[3:14:51 PM] Tonyblue: What film?
[3:15:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: the link to the drunvalo film
[3:15:30 PM] Tonyblue: Nothing to say dear
[3:15:44 PM] Tonyblue: Watch it at those markers I said it
[3:15:58 PM] Tonyblue: TLTR is no longer an excuse
[3:16:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i will go watch it now
[3:16:18 PM] Tonyblue: We have given data for 2 years now its all available for the looking
[3:16:28 PM] Tonyblue: I meant generally Raven
[3:16:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: exactly
[3:16:30 PM] Tonyblue: Not you
[3:16:43 PM] Tonyblue: I know your loyalty and honour
[3:16:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i thought you wanted me to watch it now sweety
[3:16:57 PM] Tonyblue: Why I am still on skype
[3:17:08 PM] Tonyblue: Nono
[3:17:37 PM] Tonyblue: I would probably stop this altogether were it not for you and Xeia and Rok
[3:18:04 PM] Tonyblue: I simply have no more to give now
[3:18:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: well thank you Tony, no i knew you were not referring to me when you said TLTR is not an excuse ...that would be funny
[3:18:19 PM] Tonyblue: Of course
[3:18:28 PM] Tonyblue: You are like an adjutant
[3:18:37 PM] Tonyblue: A scribe to the scribe of the Logos
[3:19:08 PM] Tonyblue: Now INDEPENDENT to do your own journey
[3:19:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: i hope you don't disappear all together Tony, I enjoy our talks and I know Xeia does too
[3:19:54 PM] Tonyblue: The only DEPENDENCY left now in the cosmic scheme is the Core Loyalty
[3:20:11 PM] Tonyblue: And both you and Xeia still have one imo
[3:20:16 PM] Tonyblue: Mine is MI now
[3:20:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: and our friendship goes beyond aquaintance you know, you are my family now and i know Xeia feels the same
[3:20:28 PM] Tonyblue: No other dependencies
[3:20:49 PM] Tonyblue: Yes this is what 44 rejects see Core dependency
[3:20:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: pffft we don't think of you as a dependency and i sure hope you dont think of us like that hon
[3:21:02 PM] Tonyblue: IF her core now is IM then all will work out
[3:21:23 PM] Tonyblue: As you see this is up to JCCJ
[3:21:55 PM] Tonyblue: As soon as MM touches Jesus TODAY they Become the Cosmic TwinLogos template for all
[3:22:10 PM] Tonyblue: And this is fact
[3:22:29 PM] Tonyblue: He has to see the guys first according to the scripts
[3:22:41 PM] Tonyblue: He sends MM to prepare remember?
[3:22:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: Yes well i dont know what will happen to her Tony, but like you said, if ABBA and MI have chosen her as the vessel i do know it will happen according to their will and not mine or yours.
[3:22:58 PM] Tonyblue: Yes
[3:23:28 PM] Tonyblue: I still love her and so I shall not deny this love. But if anything comes from it I dont know anymore
[3:24:18 PM] Tonyblue: But I can live on my own now with the wavey MI
[3:24:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: whatever happens i pray that 44 will be ok, i really do not wish for her to be lonely like this forever, i see in her heart of hearts and i see the love she has to share
[3:24:34 PM] Tonyblue: Will there be a body MI I dont know either.
[3:25:18 PM] Tonyblue: She will encounter her 'freedom' as a 'wild card'
[3:25:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: indeed
[3:25:55 PM] Tonyblue: Will she fade or become emphasised? I dont know in my mindbody
[3:33:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: well one thing i do know is that we are all pregnant with our cores, and that includes you...if it is 44 then it will be her, or someone else will be shown and made known to you, this i don't doubt.
[3:34:07 PM] Tonyblue: Yes we are all pregnant
[3:34:24 PM] Tonyblue: And this this video brings out in a convoluted NABS style
[3:35:10 PM] Tonyblue: Share my comments if you like if you don t wish to elaborate
[3:35:34 PM] Tonyblue: DM says the femmes will be the males and such stuff
[3:35:52 PM] Tonyblue: He sees the archetypes but then through his NABS filters
[3:36:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[3:36:22 PM] Tonyblue: So you can see why I shared this video
[3:36:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i have not watched it yet, but yes
[3:36:39 PM] Tonyblue: Take the NABS off and you have SOME essences of the secrets of the GOT
[3:39:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: watching it now

ROMEO=66=52+14=52+7+7=52+10+4=ALPHA+MAN=NOAH+OM=BRIDE+LAMB=WE+ALPHA=IS+NOAH=52+77
JULIET=77=52+25=JULI+ET {ME=WE=E3=B=8}


12=48=44+4=A ROCK=ROACKA=JAMES=A JOHN=47+1 48=EVIL=VEIL=LIVE=SEX=HACIFICAH=24+24=12x4=ABRAHAM+BB=ELDER+88
12=39=57=XEIA=MARY=BIRTH=MOON=GEMINI=ROSE=EROS
12=75=MARRY=MARY+18=BIRTH+666=MOON+99=ONSHAR=ANDROMEDA=LUCIFERA
=A LUCIFER=51+24=DEMON 24=MICHAEL 24=75=YYY=NNN+33=111NNN111
NEW NAME=NEW AMEN=NEW MEAN=THE MARIA=THE I AM RA=NEW MAGIC

=74+1=SHARE 24=12 SHARE 12=66 SHARE 66=ABBABAAB SHARE BAABABBA


ROMEOJULIET=66+77=33+33+44+33=66+11+66=143=8=44=2222=11111111=143=8
8=44=ELDER=FREEDOM CHRIST=THE AMEN 77=THE CHRIST NAME=THE 77 MAGIC=66+47+30
=30+74+9+30=30+83+30=83+60=WISDOM WORD=GNOSIS RAVEN=RAVENINALADOVE=143=8

143=30OF DREAM OF30=PEACE OF+CORE+OF DEBRA=51+41+51=MICHAEL KING FATES=8=INFINITY+INALA=106+37
BREAD+ENERGY+ADD+JT=MICHAEL+DREAM+FATES=DEMON+FATES+KING=MICHAEL+OMEGA OF JT
=BIBLE+TIME+THUBAN=BARED+MALACHI+ANUBIS=RABED+ROCK+ABRAXAS=BABY+JOHN+WOMAN
=ARK+ISAIAH+FAMILY=40+62+41=DAVID+QUEEN+KING=MIND+MAGDALENE+DREAM=103+40=30+73+40

73=JOSEPH=ONE TEN=34+39=OLD BC + AD NEW=21+5+5+42=GOD+ROCK=TIME+DOG=WALL I AM
=CHAPEL HEBEH=BEE CHAPEL 88=28+45=WE USE=IN CIRCLE=IN LION=IN SNAKE=LAWIWAL

143=DAD+WORD+JESUS=JESUS+ADD+WORD=WORD+WISDOM=60+83=9+60+74=GOSPEL+ADD+WORD
=INALA+DOVE+RAVEN=37+46+60=57+46+40=BIRTH+BODY+MIND=101+42=1AB0BA1=1BA0AB1
=ENERGY+XAEI+BREAD=BEAUTY+XAIE+BABY=CROSS+XIAE+ARK=MESSIAH+XIEA+BIBLE
=SONGS+XEAI+DEBRA=CLOUDS+XEIA+EAGLE=8=INFINITY=106=RAVENDOVE=WORDBODY=52=7=25



JULI+ENNE=52+38=EARTHBRIDE=ALPHAHEART=SPIRIT-1=TIMESPACE-1=MIRROR-1=SPACETIME-1
=S.WE.ET.S-1=TAYLOR-1=WORD+30
JULI+SSA=52+39=JULI+XEIA=JULI+SANDA=JULI+INALA+11=52+38+1=HEART1BRIDE=ALPHA1EARTH
JULI+ET=52+25=52+52=104=JERUSALEM=LOVEJOY=EXPERIENCE=EXISTENCE
104=EARTHHEART=BABYJESUS=DEBRATONY=LOVECIRCLE=DOGGGOD+GODDOG=MMx4=ZZx2=JCCJ+CJJC+JCCJ+CJJC

Scripture Code References:

TIME=390=360+30=1 Year (of 12 months of 30 days each) + 1 Month
TIME+TIMES+HALF A TIME=3½x390=1365=1335+30
1 YEAR/1 DAY=1 DAY/1 HOUR for 360/1=15x24/1 for 1 HOUR=360/24=15 Days
½ HOUR=12,000/1600=15/2=Inside City/Outside City=7½ Days
Silence about ½ Hour =150/360=5/12=10 hours as about ½ Day in 24x150=10x360
3½ TIMES + 1 HOUR =1365+15=1380=1260+120=1260+75+35+10
10,000x10,000=100 Million and 12x12,000=144,000 and 7x1000=7000

from Revelation.8.1 with Revelation.14.20 & 21.16-17 with Revelation.7.4 & 14.1-3 with Daniel.7.10 & Revelation.9.16

30=15+15=2x(7+1+7)=14+2+14=40-10=70-40
391=370+21
21=10+1+10 Days of Gabriel in 10 Prison Days mirrored as a doubling of sorrows of Babylon as 3 full weeks
by Revelation.2.10 & 18.6 with Daniel.10.2-3,13
430=390+40=360+70=35+360+35=434-4=62x7-3½-½
500=250+250=430+40+30=390+40+40+30=490+10

from Exodus.12.40; Numbers.14.33-34; Deuteronomy.34.8; Ezekiel.4.4-6,9; Revelation.9.15;17.12;18.6 & Revelation.2.10 & Daniel.9.24-27

56=35+21 from Daniel.10.2-3,13
2 Years from Genesis.11.10
120=490-370 from Genesis.6.3 for 'The Age of Man' in 120+15=135 Day-Years from Calendar Calibration

7=3½+3½=3+1+3=WOC=Week Of Confusion/Astonishment
377=370+7 from Genesis.7.4,10-12,20,24; 8.3-14; 9.5 & Ezekiel.3.15-16
391(406)=370+21(+15)=360+30+1+(15)=1 Year + 1 Month + 1 Day + 1 Hour

from Revelation.9.13-15; 16.12

1260=Time+Times+½Time=3½x360=7x180 from Daniel.12.7 & Revelation.11.2-3; 12.6,14; 13.5
1290+45=1335=2670-1380=2670-3½xTIME-1 HOUR from Daniel.12.11-12
1600=2935-1335 from Revelation.14.6-20 & Revelation.16
Trisection: Revelation.16.18-20 & Revelation.8.7-12; 9.15
2300 from Daniel.8.14
2555=2300+255=1290+5+1260=1260+35+1260=7x360+35=2555=7x365=7 Solar Years - 1 Day
2671=1291-1380=1291-3½xTIME-1 HOUR

490=434+49+7=370+120=(40+110+74+40+7+7+36+56)+120=(264+106)+120
2670=2300+370=1335+1335=(490+490)+710+(490+490)=250+730+710+730+250=(250+2SY+2LY+2SY+250)

2670=([250-15] + 2 Solar Years + 2 Lunar Years + 2 Solar Years + [250+15])

2670=1335+1335=(1335+265)+490+360+220=1600+150+490+430=35+1600+150+490+360+35
2670+1+500=3171=|-235|2670|1+265|=|-200-35|2300+370|1+56+14+40+74+36+45|=|-235|2180+490||1+10+35+10+210|
=1260+150+1260=(1335-75)+150+(1335-75)=(1290+40+35)-30-30+(35+40+1290)
=7x180+150+7x180={3½ Times 360}+{10x15}+{3½ Times 360}={3½ Days}+{10 Hours}+{3½ Days} in 150/360=15/36=5/12 for (5x24/12)=120/12=10 Hours
=3 WOES={150}+{1st Halfweek}+{2nd Halfweek}={1335-75}

from Revelation.8.12-13;9.11-13;11.13-15;12.11-13

1st Woe: Warp Time of 2670 days crystallizes 150=2670-1260-1260=2670-7 TIMES as the 5 Months of Scorpions as 150 Days Noah's Flood in the HalfWay Warptime of 1335=1290+45=1260+75=1260+40+35=1260+30+35={3½ TIME}+75 Days
The 150 days or 5 months so become a THIRD of 3 warptime periods: 1260+150+1260=2570=2300+370=1335+1335 and forms a dynamic daycount within tis warpzone and particulary as the Reset of the 8 weeks in 45+10+1=56 days.

The Reset of April 1st as the 1290th day and the reset of April 2nd as the 1291st day from August 4th, 2008 as the 1335th day, so mirrors 45+10=1=56 days to the 1336th day as the Ascension Day of May 17th, 2012 and Pentecost of May 27th, 2012 in the addition of 10 Prison days.

1st Woe: 150 days as 5 months become the First THIRD PART or 'Witnessing Time' from December 9th, 2004 to March 28th, 2012 in 2667 days

2nd Woe: 2 HalfWeeks as the Second THIRD PART from March 29 - April 1st - April 4th, 2012 as 3½+x3½=7 Days for 1260 days + 42 months=1260+42x30=(3½ Times)+(3½ Times) in a 'compressed' holofractal Week or a WOC and as WOE#2 or WOE#3.
The HalfWarp count for the 3½ Times is 1260=1335-75 days from August 4th, 2008 with the TENTH of the City being 7.5 Days as 75/10=12,000/1,600=30/4=15/2=7½=150/20. The 7000 'slain men' are the 7 fractalised count for a Woe.

3rd Woe: 2 HalfWeeks as the Third THIRD PART from April 5th - April 8th - April 11th, 2012 and as specified for the 2nd Woe.

14Jun 2012 =2670+75=2595+150
31Mar 2012 =2555+115=2670
25Feb 2012 =2555+80=2635
21Jan 2012 =2555+45=2300
16Jan 2012 =2555+40=2595
06Jan 2012 =2555+30=2585
07Dec 2011 =2555+0=2670-75-40
02Nov 2011 =2520=1260+1260=2670-150


Abortion Mirror=Day#-18=Sat, Nov20, 2004 =Baby#-17 in 71=(17+1+17)+(17+1+17) Days
Abortion Mirror(+1)=Day#-17=Sun, Nov21, 2004 = Baby#-18 in 71=(17+1+17)+1+(17+1+17) Days
Lower Warp Mirror=Day#00=Wed, Dec08, 2004 =Baby#00
AntiAbortion Mirror=Day#18=Sun, Dec26, 2004 = Baby#17 = ACEH Tsunami Midpoint in 36 Days

Midpoint of AntiAbortion Image=Day#2653=Wed, Mar14, 2012 =Baby#-18 in 17+1+17 Days
LOGOS 69th Week Mirror=Day#2663=Sat, Mar24, 2012
Upper Warp Mirror=Day#2671=Sun, Apr01, 2012
Prison 10Day Mirror=Day#2681=Wed, Apr11, 2012=2671+10=2663+18 = ACEH Tsunami Image
Descension Mirror=Day#2682=Thu, Apr12, 2012=2663+18+1
Beltane Mirror=Day#2699=Sun, Apr29, 2012=2663+18+18

Midpoint of Abortion Image=Day#2689=Thu, Apr19, 2012 =Baby#+18* in 17+1+17 Days
2663+17+1+1+17=2663+7+11+1+17=2699=2689+10 from Mar24-Mar31- Apr11-Apr12-Apr29
2653+35=2681+7=2688 for 35 days in 53=HAROBED=3+5=8=5+3=DEBORAH for 35+53=88

Sun, Feb26--Wed, Mar14--Sat, Mar31-|Sun, Apr01|-Mon, Apr02--Thu, Apr19--Sun, May06
2636...(+17).....2653...(+17)...2670...(+1)...2671...(+1)...2672...(+17)...2689...(+17)...2706

Sun, Feb19--Wed, Mar07--Sat, Mar24-|Sun, Mar25|-Mon, Mar26--Thu, Apr12--Sun, Apr29
2636...(+17).....2653...(+17)...2670...(+1)...2671...(+1)...2672...(+17)...2689...(+17)...2706

Wed, Nov03--Sat, Nov20--Thu, Dec07-|Wed, Dec08|-Thu, Dec09--Sun, Dec26--Wed, Jan12
-35....(+17).......-18....(+17)....-1....(+1).....00.....(+1).....1....(+17).....18....(+17).....35

DEBORAH|4+5+2+15+18+1+8=53=8+1+18+15+2+5+4|HAROBED
(4-7-12-14-29)Nov 2004-(17-18-26)Dec 2004 = (15-22-23)Mar 2012-(10-25-27)Apr 2012-(2-6)May 2012
53+35=88=44+44=DAYNIGHT
53+53=INFINITY=RAVENDOVE=WORDBODY=DEBORAH HAROBED
35+18=53=35+666=35+99=45+54+35=USE LOVE 35=53 USE LOVE
35+35=70=GALAXY
88=44+44=ELDER ABRAHAM=22+22+22+22=33+22+33
30+58=DAY STAR=EAGLE NIGHT
58+30=STAR BABY=FATHER ARK=STAR PEACE=FATHER BREAD



00+18=18=Death Mirror
1335+18=1353=Lower Midpoint Mirror
1336+17=1353=Upper Midpoint Mirror
2670+18=2688=Winepress Mirror as 1335+1600=2935=Birth Mirror
2671+17=2688=Winepress Mirror as 1335+1600=2935=Birth Mirror
Winepress Mirror TwinWeek of Confusion/Astonishment:
#2685(+3)#2688(+4)#2692(+3)#2695(+4)#2699 as 15 days from SunApr15 to WedApr18 to SunApr22 to WedApr25 to SunApr29

Trisections: {Revelation.8 & Revelation.16.19}
{Linear Past to -1}+{Warpzone}+{2671 to linear Future}
{00-2670}+{2671-2688-2706}+{2707-2935} and {1-2667}+{2668-2671-2674}+{2675-2678-2681}

Quadrosection: {Revelation.6.8}
{Linear Past to -1}+{Warpzone+Cosmic Pregnancy}+{2936 to linear Future}



M 6.5, Arteaga, Mexico; Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 22:55:10 UTC

M 8.2, off the west coast of northern Sumatra; Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 10:43:09 UTC
M 8.6, off the west coast of northern Sumatra; Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 08:38:37 UTC
M 9.2, Aceh, off the west coast of northern Sumatra Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 00:58:53 UTC
M 9.0, east of the Oshika Peninsula of Tōhoku and Sendai, Japan, March 11, 2011 at 05:46 UTC

8.2+8.6+9.2+9.0=35=53=8=17=26=35=44=53=62=71=80

M 6.2, Papua, Indonesia Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 17:56:19 UTC
M 7.5, Oaxaca, Mexico Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 18:02:48 UTC

March Equinox 2012 at 23:21 UCT in Sendai Tsunami at 05:46 UCT; Timedelta =5:46-0:39=5:07 =307 minutes at 193 minutes or 3:13 at 20:47 UCT on Tuesday, Mar20, 2012 in the Activation of the Philadelphia Dragon Phoenix Flyer


Thu, May03, 2012 --- Wed, May02, 2012
Fri, May04, 2012 --- Tue, May01, 2012
Sat, May05, 2012 --- Mon, Apr30, 2012

Begin Week#64=Sun, May06, 2012 --- Sun, Apr29, 2012=End Week#62/73
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Begin Week#65=Sun, May13, 2012 --- Sun, Apr22, 2012=End Week#61/72
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Begin Week#66=Sun, May20, 2012 --- Sun, Apr15, 2012=End Week#60/71
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Begin Week#67/1=Sun, May27, 2012&Sun, Feb20, 2011 --- Sun, Apr08, 2012=End Week#59=Week#70
Mon, May28, 2012&Mon, Feb21, 2011 --- Sat, Apr07, 2012
Tue, May29, 2012&Tue, Feb22, 2011 --- Fri, Apr06, 2012
Wed, May30, 2012&Wed, Feb23, 2011 --- Thu, Apr05, 2012
Thu, May31, 2012&Thu, Feb24, 2011 --- Wed, Apr04, 2012
Fri, Jun01, 2012&Fri, Feb25, 2011 --- Tue, Apr03, 2012
Sat, Jun02, 2012&Sat, Feb26, 2011 --- Mon, Apr02, 2012=Begin Week#59=Week#70

Begin Week#68/2=Sun, Jun03, 2012&Sun, Feb27, 2011 --- Sun, Apr01, 2012 =End Week#58=Week#69
Mon, Jun04, 2012&Mon, Feb28, 2011 --- Sat, Mar31, 2012
Tue, Jun05, 2012&Tue, Mar01, 2011 --- Fri, Mar30, 2012
Wed, Jun06, 2012&Wed, Mar02, 2011 --- Thu, Mar29, 2012
Thu, Jun07, 2012&Thu, Mar03, 2011 --- Wed, Mar28, 2012
Fri, Jun08, 2012&Fri, Mar04, 2011 --- Tue, Mar27, 2012
Sat, Jun09, 2012&Sat, Mar05, 2011 --- Mon, Mar26, 2012

Begin Week#69/3=Sun, Jun10, 2012&Sun, Mar06, 2011 --- Sun, Mar25, 2012=End Week#57=Week#68
Mon, Jun11, 2012&Mon, Mar07, 2011 --- Sat, Mar24, 2012
Tue, Jun12, 2012&Tue, Mar08, 2011 --- Fri, Mar23, 2012
Wed, Jun13, 2012&Wed, Mar09, 2011 --- Thu, Mar22, 2012
Thu, Jun14, 2012&Thu, Mar10, 2011 --- Wed, Mar21, 2012
Fri, Jun15, 2012&Fri, Mar11, 2011 --- Tue, Mar20, 2012 =March Equinox 2012 at 23:21 UCT in Sendai Tsunami at 05:46 UCT;
Sat, Jun16, 2012&Sat, Mar12, 2011 --- Mon, Mar19, 2012

Begin Week#70/4=Sun, Jun17, 2012&Sun, Mar13, 2011 --- Sun, Mar18, 2012 =End Week#56=Week#67
Mon, Jun18, 2012&Mon, Mar14, 2011, 2011 --- Sat, Mar17, 2012 = Saint Patrick de Eire
Tue, Jun19, 2012&Tue, Mar15, 2011 --- Fri, Mar16, 2012 = Ides of March 2011 = Calendrical Convergence Below to Above
Wed, Jun20, 2012Wed, Mar16, 2011 --- Thu, Mar15, 2012 = Ides of March 2012 = Calendrical Convergence Above to Below
Thu, Jun21, 2012&Thu, Mar17, 2011 --- Wed, Mar14, 2012
Fri, Jun22, 2012&Fri, Mar18, 2011 --- Tue, Mar13, 2012
Sat, Jun23, 2012&Sat, Mar19, 2011 --- Mon, Mar12, 2012

Begin Week#71/5=Sun, Jun24, 2012&Sun, Mar20, 2011 --- Sun, Mar11, 2012=End Week#55=Week#66=March Equinox 2011 at 17:32 UCT
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Begin Week#72/6=Sun, Jul01, 2012&Sun, Mar27, 2011 --- Sun, Mar04, 2012=End Week#54=Week#65
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Begin Week#73/7=Sun, Jul08, 2012&Sun, Apr03, 2011 --- Sun, Feb26, 2012=End Week#53=Week#64
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Begin Week#74/8=Sun, Jul15, 2012&Sun, Apr10, 2011 --- Sun, Feb19, 2012=End Week#52=Week#63
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Begin Week#75/9=Sun, Jul22, 2012&Sun, Apr17, 2011 --- Sun, Feb12, 2012=End Week#51=Week#62
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Begin Week#76/10=Sun, Jul29, 2012&Sun, Apr24, 2011 --- Sun, Feb05, 2012=End Week#50=Week#61
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Begin Week#77/11=Sun, Aug05, 2012&Sun, May01, 2011 --- Sun, Jan29, 2012=End Week#49=Week#60
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Begin Week#78/12=Sun, Aug12, 2012&Sun, May08, 2011 --- Sun, Jan22, 2012=End Week#48=Week#59
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Begin Week#79/13=Sun, Aug19, 2012&Sun, May15, 2011 --- Sun, Jan15, 2012=End Week#47
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Begin Week#96/30=Sun, Dec16, 2012&Sun, Sep11, 2011 --- Sun, Sep18, 2011=Sun, Dec23, 2012=End Week#30/96
Mon, Dec17, 2012&Mon, Sep12, 2011 --- Sat, Sep17, 2011&Sat, Dec22, 2012=xxxxxx
Tue, Dec18, 2012&Tue, Sep13, 2011 --- Fri, Sep16, 2011&Fri, Dec21, 2012=xxxxxx
Wed, Dec19, 2012&Wed, Sep14, 2011 --- Thu, Sep15, 2011&Thu, Dec20, 2012=xxxxxx


Triple-Logos-Mirror of Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
(30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

(83) Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

(84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Guerrero%E2%80%93Oaxaca_earthquake
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/twin-earthquakes-rattle-the-globe-on-spring-equinox/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquakes_in_2012

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Day#3431=Thu, May01, 2014 =StarHuman#496*=3295+136=3300+131 = Beltane-Walpurgis Nacht 2014
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Day#3336=Fri, Jan31, 2014 =StarHuman#406*=3300+36 = Euphrates 391+15=406 HOUR Calibration
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Day#3321=Thu, Jan16, 2014 =StarHuman#391*=3300+21 = Euphrates 4 Corner YDMH Calibration
Day#3320=Wed, Jan15, 2014 =StarHuman#390*=3300+20 = Ezekiel Israel TIME Calibration
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Day#3316=Mon, Jan06, 2014 =StarHuman#381*=3300+16 = Epiphany/Theophany of the Nativity in 3 Magi 2014 in 12+1=13 days of Christmas 2013
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Day#3311=Wed, Jan01, 2014 =StarHuman#376*=3300+11 = New Year 2014
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Day#3304=Wed, Dec25, 2013 =StarHuman#369*=2935+369=3300+4 = Christmas 2013
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Day#3300=Sat, Dec21, 2013 =StarHuman#365*=2935+365=3300+0 = December Solstice 2013
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Day#3295=Mon, Dec16, 2013 =StarHuman#360*=2935+360 = Calibration of Cosmic Calendars in the Plato Cycle-Degree Year
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Day#2951=Mon, Jan06, 2013 = StarHuman#16*=2935+16 = 3 Kings of Bethlehem's Christmas Nativity 2012
Day#2950=Sun, Jan05, 2013 = StarHuman#15*=2935+15
Day#2949=Sat, Jan04, 2013 = StarHuman#14*=2935+14
Day#2948=Fri, Jan03, 2013 = StarHuman#13*=2935+13
Day#2947=Thu, Jan02, 2013 = StarHuman#12*=2935+12
Day#2946=Tue, Jan01, 2013 = StarHuman#11*=2935+11 = New Year 2013
Day#2945=Mon, Dec31, 2012 = StarHuman#10*=2935+10
Day#2944=Sun, Dec30, 2012 = StarHuman#9*=2935+9
Day#2943=Sat, Dec29, 2012 = StarHuman#8*=2935+8
Day#2942=Fri, Dec28, 2012 = StarHuman#7*=2935+7
Day#2941=Thu, Dec27, 2012 = StarHuman#6*=2935+6
Day#2940=Wed, Dec26, 2012 = StarHuman#5*=2935+5
Day#2939=Tue, Dec25, 2012 = StarHuman#4*=2935+4 = Christmas 2012
Day#2938=Mon, Dec24, 2012 = StarHuman#3*=2935+3
Day#2937=Sun, Dec23, 2012 = StarHuman#2*=2935+2
Day#2936=Sat, Dec22, 2012 = StarHuman#1*=2935+1
Day#2935=Fri, Dec21, 2012 =Baby#+264*=2671+264=1335+1600 = BIRTH MIRROR
Day#2934=Thu, Dec20, 2012 = Baby#+263*=2671+263
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Day#2912=Wed, Nov28, 2012 =Baby#+241*=2671+241
=Full Moon Lunar Eclipse at 14:46 UCT at 6°47' Gemini-Sagittarius
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Day#2897=Tue, Nov13, 2012 =Baby#+226*=2671+226
=New Moon Solar Eclipse at 22:08 UCT at 2°57' Scorpio-Scorpio
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Day#2891=Wed, Nov07, 2012 =Baby#+220*=2671+220
Day#2890=Tue, Nov06, 2012 =Baby#+219*=2671+219=2670+220= (110+110=220)(+)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2855=Tue, Oct02, 2012 =Baby#+184*=2671+184
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Day#2820=Tue, Aug28, 2012 =Baby#+149*=2671+149=2670+150 =(150-0=150)(+)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2785=Tue, Jul24, 2012 =Baby#+114*=2671+114=2670+115 =(150-35=115)(+)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2781=Fri, Jul20, 2012 =Baby#+110*=2671+110
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Day#2755=Sun, Jun24, 2012 =Baby#84*=2671+84=2670+85 =(150-65=85)(+)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2745=Thu, Jun14, 2012 =Baby#74*=2671+74=2670+75 =(150-75=75)(+)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2741=Sun, Jun10, 2012 =Baby#+70*=2671+70
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Day#2735=Mon, Jun04, 2012 =Baby#+64*=2671+64
=Full Moon Lunar Eclipse 11:12 UCT at 14°14' Sagittarius-Gemini
Day#2734=Sun, Jun03, 2012 =Baby#+63*=2671+63
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Day#2727=Reset#1347=Sun, May27, 2012 =Baby#+56*=2671+56=PrisonDay#10
= Pentecost Sunday 2012
Day#2726=Reset#1345=Sat, May26, 2012 =Baby#+55*=PrisonDay#9
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Day#2720=Reset#1339=Sun, May20, 2012 =Baby#+49*=PrisonDay#3
=New Moon Solar Eclipse at 23:47 UCT at 0°21' Gemini-Gemini
Day#2719=Reset#1338=Sat, May19, 2012 =Baby#+48*=PrisonDay#2
Day#2718=Reset#1337=Fri, May18, 2012 =Baby#+47*=PrisonDay#1
Day#2717=Reset#1336=Thu, May17, 2012 =Baby#+46*=PrisonMirrorDay#0
= Ascension Mirror Thursday 2012 in 10+1+10=21 Prison Days of Gabriel
Day#2716=Reset#1335=Wed, May16, 2012 =Baby#+45*=Image PrisonDay#1
Day#2715=Reset#1334=Tue, May15, 2012 =Baby#+44*=Image PrisonDay#2
Day#2714=Reset#1333=Mon, May14, 2012 =Baby#+43*=Image PrisonDay#3
Day#2713=Reset#1332=Sun, May13, 2012 =Baby#+42*=Image PrisonDay#4
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Day#2707=Reset#1326=Mon, May07, 2012 =Baby#+36*=2671+30+6=Image PrisonDay#10=Gnosis#107=0*
Day#2706=Reset#1325=Sun, May06, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+35*=HA3*=00
=DEBORAH HAROBED=INFINITY=53+53=35+69696+35=35+36+35=106=Gnosis#106
=Desolation#40=Angel of the Harvest of the Air = Upper Gabriel{-21=-35+14}Mirror
=Buddha-Christ Full SuperMoon Wesak-Beltane 03:35 UCT at 16°01' Scorpio-Taurus
Day#2705=Reset#1324=Sat, May05, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+34*=FEU=Gnosis#105
=Desolation#39=Angel of the Fire of Euphrates
Day#2704=Reset#1323=Fri, May04, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+33*=RB=Gnosis#104
=Desolation#38=Angel of the Reaping of the Beast
Day#2703=Reset#1322=Thu, May03, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+32*=VS=Gnosis#103
=Desolation#37=Angel of the Voices of the Sun
Day#2702=Reset#1321=Wed, May02, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+31*=IW=Gnosis#102
=Desolation#36=Angel of the Images of the Water
Day#2701=Reset#1320=Tue, May01, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+30*=BSM=Gnosis#101
=Desolation#35=Angel of Babylon of the SeaMirror = MayDay of Beltane 2012
Day#2700=Reset#1319=Mon, Apr30, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+29*=GE=Gnosis#100
=Desolation#34=Angel of the Gospel of the Earth = Walpurgis Nacht 2012
Day#2699=Reset#1318=Sun, Apr29, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+28*=CMSA*=Gnosis#99
=Desolation#33=CLOUDED MIRROR of the SICKLE of the AIR = Midpoint Beltane-Walpurgis Nacht Mirror

Day#2698=Reset#1317=Sat, Apr28, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+27*=GEU3=Gnosis#98
=Desolation#32=Angel of the Gospel of Euphrates = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#7
= Completion of the Harvest of the Old Earth in the Air of Euphrates in the Winepress Outside the New Temple Earth
Day#2697=Reset#1316=Fri, Apr27, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+26*=BB3=Gnosis#97
=Desolation#31=Angel of Babylon of the Beast = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#6
= Darkness of the Beast in the Desolations of Babylon
Day#2696=Reset#1315=Thu, Apr26, 2012=Baby(lon)#+25*=IS3=Gnosis#96
=Desolation#30=Angel of the Images of the Sun = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#5
= Burning of the Fake Images in the Fires of the Logos Sun
Day#2695=Reset#1314=Wed, Apr25, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+24*=VW3=Gnosis#95
=Desolation#29=Angel of the Voices of the Water = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#4
= Eucharist of Blood in the Harvest of Babylon
Day#2694=Reset#1313=Tue, Apr24, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+23*=RSM3=Gnosis#94
=Desolation#28=Angel of the Reaping of the SeaMirror = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#3
= Shattering of Babylon's SeaMirror in the Reaping Millstone
Day#2693=Reset#1312=Mon, Apr23, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+22*=FE3=Gnosis#93
=Desolation#27=Angel of the Fire of the Earth = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#2
= Bloody Earth of the Winepress of Babylon in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone

Day#2692=Reset#1311=Sun, Apr22, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+21*=HA2*=Gnosis#92
=Desolation#26=Angel of the Harvest of the Air = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#1=Lower Gabriel{+21=+35-14}Mirror
= Mirror Nexus for the Reaping of the Old Earth by the Gospel of Euphrates in the Harvest of the Air
Day#2691=Reset#1310=Sat, Apr21, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+20*=GE2=Gnosis#91
=Desolation#25=Angel of the Gospel of Euphrates = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-1
= Mirror Nexus for the Reaping of the Old Earth in the Harvest of the Air by the Gospel of Euphrates

Day#2690=Reset#1309=Fri, Apr20, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+19*=BB2=Gnosis#90
=Desolation#24=Angel of Babylon of the Beast = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-2
= Fall of Babylon in the Darkness of the Beast
Day#2689=Reset#1308=Thu, Apr19, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+18*=IS2=DEBORAH+69696=53+36=89=Gnosis#89
=Desolation#23=Angel of the Images of the Sun = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-3=Midpoint of Abortion Image 17+1+17
= False Images revealed in the Fires of the Logos Sun
Day#2688=Reset#1307=Wed, Apr18, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+17*=VW2=DEBORAH+35=53+35=88=Gnosis#88
=Desolation#22=Angel of the Voices of the Water = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-4
= Times for the Harvest in the Bloody Waters of Babylon
Day#2687=Reset#1306=Tue, Apr17, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+16*=RSM2=Gnosis#87
=Desolation#21=Angel of the Reaping of the SeaMirror = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-5
= Reaping of the Vine of the Earth in the SeaMirror of Babylon
Day#2686=Reset#1305=Mon, Apr16, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+15*=FE2=Gnosis#86
=Desolation#20=Angel of the Fire of the Earth = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-6
= Fire and Brimstone in the Bloody Earth of the Winepress of Babylon
Day#2685=Reset#1304=Sun, Apr15, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+14*=HA1*=Gnosis#85
=Desolation#19=Babylon#9=Angel of the Harvest of the Air = WINEPRESS MIRROR TWINWOC#-7
= Beginning of the Harvest of the Old Earth in the Air of Euphrates in the Winepress Outside the New Temple Earth

Day#2684=Reset#1303=Sat, Apr14, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+14*=CMSEU=Gnosis#84
=Desolation#18=CLOUDED MIRROR of the SICKLE of EUPHRATES
Day#2683=Reset#1302=Fri, Apr13, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+12*=HB=Gnosis#83
=Desolation#17=Angel of the Harvest of the Beast
Day#2682=Reset#1301=Thu, Apr12, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+11*=FS=Gnosis#82
=Desolation#16=Angel of the Fire of the Sun

Day#2681=Reset#1300=Wed, Apr11, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+10*=RW=Prison#10=Gnosis#81
=End #7WOE#3=Desolation#15=Angel of the Reaping of the Water = ACEH IMAGE of December 26th, 2004
Day#2680=Reset#1299=Tue, Apr10, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+9*=VSM=Prison#9=Gnosis#80
=#6WOE#3=Desolation#14=Angel of the Voices of the SeaMirror
Day#2679=Reset#1298=Mon, Apr09, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+8*=IE=Prison#8=Gnosis#79
=#5WOE#3=Desolation#13=Angel of the Images of the Earth

Day#2678=Reset#1297=Sun, Apr08, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+7*=BA*=Prison#7=Easter Sunday=Gnosis#78
=#4WOE#3=Vial of the Air=Desolation#12=Beast#15=Unwarp#1=Angel of the Babylon of the Air
Day#2677=Reset#1296=Sat, Apr07, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+6*=GEU1=Prison#6=Gnosis#77
=#3WOE#3=Vial of Euphrates=Desolation#11=Beast#14=Unwarp#2=Angel of the Gospel of Euphrates
Day#2676=Reset#1295=Fri, Apr06, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+5*=BB1=Prison#5=Good Friday=Gnosis#76
=#2WOE#3=Vial of the Beast=Prison#5=Desolation#10=Beast#13=Unwarp#3=HornKing#10 with HornKing#1
Day#2675=Reset#1294=Thu, Apr05, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+4*=IS1=Prison#4=Gnosis#75
=Begin #1WOE#3=Vial of the Sun=Desolation#9=Beast#12=Unwarp#4=HornKing#9 with HornKing#2
Day#2674=Reset#1293=Wed, Apr04, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+3*=VW1=Prison#3=Gnosis#74
=End #7WOE#2=Vial of the Water=Desolation#8=Beast#11=Unwarp#5=HornKing#8 with HornKing#3
Day#2673=Reset#1292=Tue, Apr03, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+2*=RSM1=Prison#2=Gnosis#73
=#6WOE#2=Vial of the SeaMirror=Desolation#7=Beast#10=Unwarp#6=HornKing#7 with HornKing#4
Day#2672=Reset#1291=Mon, Apr02, 2012 =Baby(lon)#+1*=FE1=Prison#1=Gnosis#72
=#5WOE#2=Vial of the Earth=Desolation#6=Beast#9=Unwarp#7=HornKing#6 with HornKing#5

Day#2671=Reset#1290=Sun, Apr01, 2012 =Baby(lon)#00*=CSMH*=Palm Sunday
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Day#2663=Sat, Mar24, 2012 =Baby#-8=2300+363= WOC#4=End of Week#69=Gnosis#63
Day#2662=Fri, Mar23, 2012 =Baby#-9=2300+362 =WOC#3=Gnosis#62
Day#2661=Thu, Mar22, 2012 =Baby#-10=2300+361 =WOC#2=Gnosis#61
Day#2660=Wed, Mar21, 2012 =Baby#-11=2300+360 =WOC#1=Gnosis#60
Day#2659=Tue, Mar20, 2012 =Baby#-12=2300+359=Gnosis#59
= WOC MIRROR for March Equinox 2012 in Twin Earthquake Oaxaca-Papua
Day#2658=Mon, Mar19, 2012 =Baby#-13=2300+358=Gnosis#58
Day#2657=Sun, Mar18, 2012 =Baby#-14=2300+357=Begin Week#69=Gnosis#57
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Day#2653=Wed, Mar14, 2012 =Baby#-18=2300+353=Midpoint of AntiAbortion Image 17+1+17=HAROBED 53=Gnosis#53
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Day#2650=Sun, Mar11, 2012 =Baby#-21=2300+350=Begin Week#68=Gnosis#50
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Day#2646=Wed, Mar07, 2012 =Baby#-25=2300+346=Gnosis#47
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Day#2643=Sun, Mar04, 2012 =Baby#-28=2300+343=Begin Week#67=Gnosis#43
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Day#2637=Mon, Feb27, 2012 =Baby#-34=2300+337=Gnosis#37
Day#2636=Sun, Feb26, 2012 =Baby#-35=2300+336=Begin Week#66=Gnosis#36
Day#2635=Sat, Feb25, 2012 =Baby#-36=HAROBED-666=53-18=35=Gnosis#35
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Day#2629=Sun, Feb19, 2012 =Baby#-42=2300+329=Begin Week#65=Gnosis#29
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Day#2622=Sun, Feb12, 2012 =Baby#-49=2300+322=Begin Week#64=Gnosis#22
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Day#2579=Sat, Dec31, 2011 =2300+279 = Flight of the Dove after 7 days
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Day#2572=Sat, Dec24, 2011 =2300+272 = Flight of the Twig after 7 days
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Day#2555=Wed, Dec07, 2011 =2300+255=2555=7x360+35=7x365=2670-75-40 =(150-35=115)(-)Day Projection of WOE#1
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Day#2524=Sun, Nov06, 2011 =2300+224 = Peak of Mount Ararat in 150+74=224 days
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Day#2520=Wed, Nov02, 2011 =2520=1260+1260=2670-75-75 =(150-0=150)(-)Day Projection of WOE#1
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= End of the Flood in 40+110=150 days
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Day#2405=Sun, Jul10, 2011 =2300+105 = 2670-265 in the Anti Pregnancy
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Day#2340=Fri, May06, 2011 =2300+40 = End of the Rains in 150 Days of the Flood
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Day#2301=Mon, Mar28, 2011 = 2300+1 = Start of the 370 Days as 1st day of Rains
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Day#1342=Mon, Aug11, 2008 = MirrorDay#+7
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Day#1336=Tue, Aug05, 2008 = MirrorDay#+1 = Upper MIDPOINT MIRROR
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Day#1329=Tue, Jul29, 2008 = MirrorDay#-7
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Day#1291=Sat, Jun21, 2008 = June Solstice 2008
Day#1290=Fri, Jun20, 2008
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Day#1260=Wed, May21, 2008
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Day#391=Mon, Jan02, 2006 = Four Corners of Euphrates' Warpzone Angels in 391=370+21 days
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Day#366=Thu, Dec08, 2005
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Day#18=Sun, Dec26, 2004 = Baby#17= AntiAbortion Mirror Midpoint of Aceh Tsunami
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Day#-1=Tue, Dec07, 2004 = Baby#-34
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Day#-17=Sun, Nov21, 2004 = Baby#-18 = Abortion Mirror (+1) in 71=(17+1+17)+1+(17+1+17) Days
for Ophiuchus Day for the solar ingress at 23:22 UCT Scorpio into Sagittarius
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Day#-34=Thu, Nov04, 2004 = Baby#-1 = Day of Abortion
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Day#-46=Sat, Oct23, 2004 = Baby#11
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Day#-56=Wed, Oct13, 2004 = Baby#21 = 1st/3rd Week of 8/10 of Baby Conception
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Day#-70=Wed, Sep29, 2004 = Baby#35 = 1st Week of 10 of Baby Conception
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Day#-110=Fri, Aug20, 2004 = Baby#75
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Raven wrote:

In Lakech, Raven

Chapter 13

Channeling

If one gets into New Age teachings, one is bound to run into some alleged channeled sources. Whoever does the channeling usually claims to be speaking for an entity that has higher knowledge and consequently people often treat the channeled information as if it is infallible. This can be problematic because there are several possibilities when it comes to channeled information that allegedly comes from a higher level being:
1.A person pretends to be channeling a higher level being with the hope of benefiting in some way. This possibility occurs quite often.
2.Without realizing it, a person channels his (or her) subconscious mind.
3.Without realizing it, a person channels a deceptive spirit.
4.A person actually channels a spirit that represents the light.

As you have probably figured out, Jesus Christ is dear to my heart. I’ve found that different New Age sources contradict each other about the issue of whether or not Jesus died on the cross. I understand that some people believe that this issue doesn’t matter, because they contend that having respect for Jesus isn’t dependent upon believing that he died on the cross. This isn’t relevant to what I am about to say because my aim is to show that some well-known sources of New Age information contradict each other and themselves about Jesus’ crucifixion.

Jane Roberts claimed that she channeled an entity named Seth.
This means that she allowed Seth to use her body to speak to people. She claimed that she made contact with Seth while using an Ouija board. In Jane’s book Seth Speaks (pages 366-368), “Seth” claims that Jesus wasn’t crucified. Rather, he alleges that Judas made arrangements for a mentally disturbed man to be drugged and crucified in Jesus’ place. Seth referred to what the gospels say as he tried to make his points. Therefore, it is reasonable for me to also use the gospels to show that the points Seth made are erroneous.

In the Gospels of Matthew (26:21-24), Mark (14:18-25), and Luke (22:21-22), Jesus tells Judas that he would betray him. Why would Jesus tell Judas this if Judas was arranging a hoax? Matthew 26:2; Mark 8:31, 9:12, 9:32 and 10:33-34; Luke 9:44, 17:25, and 18:31-33; and John 13:31; also show that Jesus was well aware that he would be crucified. Why would Jesus have this knowledge if a hoax was going to take place? The gospels also show that Jesus understood that it was his divine destiny to be crucified. If you believe that the gospels can’t be totally relied upon due to historical discrepancies and translation issues, please remember that Seth used the gospels as a basis for his arguments. Either the gospels can be used to make a point, or they can’t.

Regardless of what the gospels say, due to the following reasons I find it hard to believe that a mentally disturbed man was drugged and crucified in Jesus’ place:
•Judas wouldn’t have been able to plan a hoax without Jesus knowing about it.
•Judas probably couldn’t have gotten a mentally disturbed man to believe that he is Jesus.
•Even if he could, he wouldn’t have needed to drug him if he already believed he was Jesus. In fact, it would’ve been risky to do so because a drug could alter a deluded man’s state of mind in an unfavorable way.
•Somebody might’ve noticed that a man other than Jesus was being crucified and would’ve reported this fact to the authorities.

On page 415 of The Nature of a Personal Reality, Seth states:

The “substitute” was a personality seemingly deluded, but in his delusion he knew that each person is resurrected. He took it upon himself to become the symbol of this knowledge.

The underlined emphases in the paragraph above appear in the original text. They point to a contradiction that makes the alleged truth of Seth’s statement untenable. It doesn’t make sense to claim that the man who was supposedly crucified in Jesus’ place was both seemingly deluded and actually deluded. Either he was deluded or he wasn’t.

Seth stated that Peter denied Jesus three times because a man other than Jesus was captured. This contention isn’t supported by the gospels. Matthew 26:34, 69-75; Mark 14:29-31, 66-72; Luke 22:34, 54-65; and John 13:38, 18:15-18,25-27; clearly show that Peter denied Jesus three times because Jesus wouldn’t tell Peter that he was going to deny him three times if someone other than Jesus was going to be captured.

Seth claims that Jesus appeared to his disciples after the hoax-crucifixion in order to let them know that he wasn’t crucified and is still alive. Seth claimed that Jesus was a great psychic and had wounds appear on his body so his disciples could use them as a basis for identifying him. If Jesus wanted to let his disciples know that he was still alive and wasn’t crucified, wouldn’t he have a better chance of doing so if he didn’t have wounds that made it seem as if he was crucified? Imagine how his conversation with his disciples would’ve played out.


Jesus: “Here I am. I wasn’t crucified.”

Disciple: “Then why do you have wounds on your body as if you were?”

Jesus: “In order to let you know that I wasn’t crucified I created them.”

Disciple: “But Master, wouldn’t we be more likely to believe that you weren’t crucified if you didn’t have wounds on the parts of your body we expect you to have them?”

Jesus: “I psychically created them so you would be able to recognize me.”

Disciple: “Why wouldn’t we be able to recognize you without wounds? We know you so well.”

Jesus: “Uh…uh”

Disciple: “Master, I asked you…”

Jesus: “Don’t rush me. I’m trying to come up with a parable that will make this clear.”


I hope the above imaginary dialogue clarifies how unreasonable it is to conclude that Jesus psychically created wounds to mimic having been crucified in order to prove that he wasn’t crucified. If Jesus’ disciples could recognize Jesus only if they saw wounds on his body, then how did they recognize him on previous occasions? Did they suddenly en masse develop a case of dementia? I figure they knew what he looked like, what his voice sounded like and, considering that Jesus was an evolved person, they probably knew what his presence felt like. Even if for some odd reason these modes of recognition didn’t work, perhaps they could’ve asked Jesus some questions for which a man other than Jesus wouldn’t know the answer. Or perhaps they could’ve asked Jesus to perform a miracle or two.

Seth claims that his point is validated because Thomas accepted that Jesus was Jesus only after he put his hand into the wound on Jesus’ side. This claim demonstrates a lack of understanding of what took place. Thomas was not with the disciples the first time Jesus appeared to them. When some of the disciples told Thomas that Jesus had reappeared, he said “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.” (John 20:25). Eight days later Jesus reappeared to his disciples when Thomas was with them. Jesus told Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him. “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:26-29).

Nowhere within the gospels does it say that Jesus proved who he was to the rest of his disciples by the same means. He spoke to Thomas as he did in order to respond to the non-literal comments Thomas made to his fellow disciples when he said he didn’t believe Jesus had appeared to them. I say this after making the not-too-bold assumption that Thomas spoke just figuratively when he said he would believe that Jesus was alive only after he sees the nail marks in his hands and put his fingers where the nails were, and put his hand into his side. He probably recognized Jesus immediately, just as the other disciples had done. In fact, this point is established with Jesus’ statement, “Because you have seen me, you have believed.”

There is also the matter of how Thomas knew about Jesus’ wounds not only in a general way–he knew about the wound in Jesus’ side. I believe it is reasonable to conclude that Thomas knew about this specific wound because it had become known to Jesus’ disciples that he had been wounded in this part of his body.

Seth claimed that when Jesus couldn’t convince his disciples that he was himself, he willed his life in this world to an end, because there was no point in continuing it. I believe it is contradictory for Seth to say that Thomas stuck his hand into Jesus’ wound in order to verify that he was with Jesus, and then contend that he wasn’t convinced.

Mary Innes claims to channel an entity named Elias.
Elias is supposed to be similar to Seth. Nevertheless, Seth and Elias contradict each other when it comes to the crucifixion. Elias claimed that Jesus moved to Macedonia and died of natural cause at the age of 51. Clearly Elias and Seth contradict each other. If what Elias claims is true, it is odd that Paul had to speak to Jesus’ disciples in order to learn about Jesus’ teachings, since Jesus could have been found in Macedonia.

Suzanne Ward claims to channel her deceased son Matthew.
She wrote that Matthew’s spirit told her that rather than being crucified, Jesus was whipped and then let go.[12] Once again a well-known channeled source contradicts other well-known channeled sources about a significant event.

Alleged psychic Sylvia Browne is another person who felt it necessary to come up with a story about how Jesus didn’t die on the cross.
In her book The Mystical Life of Jesus she makes Jesus sound like a wimp who made a deal with Pontius Pilote. Pilote allegedly tried to work things out so Jesus wouldn’t have to be crucified. When he wasn’t able to do so, he supposedly arranged to have Jesus removed from the cross before he died. He also supposedly arranged for a foot stool to be placed under Jesus’ feet while he was on the cross. Sylvia also wrote that the people who crucified Jesus were experts in anatomy, and they drove stakes into Jesus’ body in a manner where no arteries were damaged so he wouldn’t bleed to death.

I find it hard to believe that none of the people who attended Jesus’ crucifixion noticed the foot stool. I find it hard to believe that arrangements could be made so the people who were responsible for hammering stakes into Jesus’ body would do so in a manner that spared his life. Even if such arrangements could be made, I find it hard to believe that the people who nailed Jesus to the cross knew how to avoid an artery. Even if they managed to avoid Jesus’ arteries, surely the puncture wounds from the stakes that were placed into his hands and feet, the spear that was thrust into his side, and the crown of thorns that was rammed onto his head, would’ve caused him to lose enough blood so he would die before the scene was clear and he could be removed from the cross without anybody becoming suspicious about what Pilote supposedly arranged. I also find it hard to believe that with all of Jesus’ reported mystic abilities he would have a difficult time avoiding his tormentors if he chose to do so. Therefore, he wouldn’t require Pilote’s very painful and life-threatening mock-crucifixion plot.

It is also significant to point out that Sylvia Browne contradicted herself about Jesus’ manner and age of death. In her March/April 2007 Sylvia Browne Newsletter she wrote that Jesus died at the age of 33. In her book The Mystical Life of Jesus she wrote that he died at the age of 86. I believe this is quite a contradiction. Her book was published in 2006. Perhaps when a person dishes out too much misinformation (see Stop Sylvia Browne.net), he (or she) is bound to lose track of the details.

I’ve found that when some people hear about such inconsistencies they continue to have no problem with the sources I mentioned. Sometimes they’ll contend that some kind of interpretive error takes place as a person channels a spirit. If this is the case, I’d say that quite a bit of misinterpretation takes place because the above sources provided their viewpoints with a lot of details. When a source presents so many erroneous details perhaps it isn’t trustworthy.

When people get into the justification, rationalization and denial game for such sources, they comment about the true information such a source provides. I have found that a source doesn’t have to be legitimate in order to come up with some information that is true. Lots of people are capable of reading some books, thinking a bit, and coming up with their own spin on what higher truth supposedly is. To the extent accurate information is provided no harm is done; however, people can be misled by the false information that is provided. I’ve found that people who are into channeled sources often take on a cult-like mentality and no matter how clearly you present the inconsistencies, they’ll come up with some way to defend the inconsistencies even if this requires them to come up with arguments that make no sense at all.

The main reason people attach themselves to sources of information to such an extent is because they use such sources to develop a way of thinking that makes them feel oriented, secure and perhaps happy. They get to the point where they believe in a not-fully-conscious way that they had better not question their belief because if they do, they’ll lose their sense of orientation, security, happiness and peace.

The fact of the matter is that divine truth is so wonderful that as long as they live their life in a positive way they don’t have to be concerned that letting go of a false belief system will ruin their happiness. In fact, by choosing to let go of a false belief system they’ll be more able to open themselves to receiving information that is more positive than what they currently believe. There’s even a good chance they’ll be quite happy that some of the viewpoints they used to believe aren’t true. This is true even when some viewpoints don’t seem negative until one can look closely in hindsight.

Going by the spirit messages I have received, Jesus was in fact crucified. There are people who have a problem with the idea of Jesus being crucified, partly because they don’t like the he died for our sins premise. Others contend that this premise is true because they believe we all became sinners when Eve ate the apple in the Garden of Eden. Jesus then had to take care of our sins by being crucified. I don’t agree with this later point because I don’t believe the Garden of Eden story is literal. The story is a symbolic way of saying that when our souls incarnated into this world for the purpose of learning important lessons, we lost our innocence for a while.

I believe Jesus has helped tremendously, not by dying for our sins, but by finding the way back to God and being an example for anybody who wants to learn from him. Also, many people avoid lower realms after they die partly because of how Jesus has inspired them. When this is the case, Jesus died for their sins by inspiring them to not sin.

Also, some souls don’t move on to the light right away because their fear and guilt prevent them from doing so. They are afraid they will get punished, don’t feel deserving of heavenly wonders, or a combination of these two factors. Fortunately, many of these souls don’t stay in such a state for an extended period of time because they believe Christ died for their sins and therefore don’t feel the need to punish themselves by remaining in a lower realm for an extended period. They believe Jesus will forgive them–and going by what feels right to me, he does. I’m not saying that they won’t have to become aware of how they may have hurt others, but their faith in Christ enables them to get the help they need rather than staying stuck for an extended period of time.

Back to Jane Roberts: Seth didn’t limit his inaccurate statements about Jesus to the crucifixion issue. In Jane’s books Seth Speaks and A Nature of a Personal Reality, Seth took three of Jesus’ most famous verses and interpreted them so they lacked spiritual meaning. For example, Seth claimed that when Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself he was just making a joke, because nobody loved their neighbor during Jesus’ time period (page 414).[13] I believe it is quite obvious that Seth’s claim is ludicrous; nevertheless, I’ll show how the Gospels don’t support Seth’s claim. From the Gospel of Matthew:

“5:43 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 5:44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 5:45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. 5:46 For if ye love them that love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than other? do not even the Gentiles the same? 5:48 Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Certainly the above isn’t a demonstration of Jesus not being good at sticking to one-liners.

Also from the Gospel of Matthew:

19:16 And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 19:17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself. 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 19:22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.”

22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, gathered themselves together. 22:35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, trying him: 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 22:37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love thy Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the great and first commandment. 22:39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.”

When I read the above closely, I find it hard to believe that Jesus was making a joke about any of the commandments he shared. What seems most reasonable to you? He 1) made a joke about each of the commandments, 2) shared commandments he was serious about and then just for the fun of it added a joke about loving one’s neighbor as one’s self, or 3) realized that he was asked about the most important commandments and responded accordingly? How about the last verse? “On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.” Was this statement an extension of a hardy-har-har joke about loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself, or is Seth’s claim full of beans?

Also, Jesus wasn’t the originator of the commandments he stated. They are commandments that can be found in the Old Testament. (Leviticus 9:33-34 and Deuteronomy 10:19 for the love thy neighbor as yourself commandment.) This being the case, how could it be a matter of Jesus making an ill-timed joke? Remember, in comedy, timing is everything.

If one is willing, one can find that some of the most popular New Age sources aren’t as infallible as they claim. Sometimes this is hard to see, not just for the reasons discussed above, but also because people are hungry for knowledge and become excited when they find a source of information that seems to have the answers they are looking for. Their excitement might cause them to turn their discrimination meter off. This is unfortunate. Sometimes patience is a necessary part of the journey. Perhaps it is better to be patient and find a path that is true, rather than allow a quick-fix approach to lead us astray.

[12] I don’t remember which book she says this in. I read it while in a book store, this book store still doesn’t have this book, and I decided it wouldn’t make sense to purchase all of her books just so I can state which book.

[13] The following words were used: “The very term, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” was an ironic statement, for in that society no man loved his neighbor, but distrusted him heartily. Much of Christ’s humor has been lost, therefore. “

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Nondual Teachings – My Likes and Dislikes – 1/17/12

By Albert A. Haust III

Copyright © 2012



After reading some of my articles people might begin to wonder if I have a big problem with nondual teachings. They might wonder if I say critical things about nondual teachings simply for the sake of being negative. They might also wonder if there is anything about nondual teachings that I like.

I wrote what I wrote not for the sake of being negative, but for the sake of providing information that I hope will be useful. There are some nondual principles I like and agree with, but definitely not all of them.

At one point in my life I restricted my beliefs in accordance with nondual principals. Since these nondual teachings were purported to come from gurus who were enlightened, I thought, “How could they possibly be wrong?”

I gained freedom from such a restricted way of believing in an incremental way. First I found out that the guru I was studying with wasn’t the spiritual master he claimed to be. After discovering this I left his group. But I had not yet reached the point where I could thoroughly question all nondual teachings because I still believed that other nondual teachers such as Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj were enlightened and therefore infallible.

Eventually I reached the point where I didn’t want my beliefs to be dictated by anybody, not even people like Ramana and Nisargadatta. As far as I was concerned having a state of mind where I wouldn’t allow myself to question principles that were taught by eminent gurus such as Ramana and Nisargadatta, wasn’t any different than having a state of mind where a person won’t question anything the Bible says because supposedly the Bible is inerrant. Whether one assumes a source of information is infallible or inerrant, it amounts to the same thing.

When I allowed myself to actually question some of the things gurus such as Ramana and Nisargadatta said, I found that some of the things they said didn’t sound correct. Not only that, there were important spiritual topics they didn’t speak about that one would expect a spiritual master to speak about.

On one occasion I meditated and asked myself “Who am I?” At first I did so with the nondual expectation of experiencing myself as pure awareness that didn’t have anything to do with the mind aspect of being. But then I decided to not limit myself by the guidelines set by nondual gurus. This enabled me to understand that it doesn’t make sense to try to experience oneself as nothing but pure awareness because awareness couldn’t be aware without having something to be aware of. While meditating in such a way a person might experience something such as a vast expanse of deep peace, but this deep peace isn’t awareness itself or the nothingness some nondualists like to speak of. Anything that feels as great as deep peace definitely exists and is more than nothingness.

I also realized that even if I could bring my mind to a halt this didn’t mean that my mind didn’t exist. Rather, it would be a matter of my using my mind in such a way that I wasn’t aware of it. I realized in a deep way that both the mind and awareness aspects of my being are a part of who I am, and that there is no way they could be separated from each other, even if I could get my mind to me more quiet than usual.

This was a wonderful thing to discover because our mind can be a marvelous tool if we allow it to be. We can use it to do things such as learn about useful things and make decisions.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I was daring enough to question what even eminent gurus such as Ramana and Nisargadatta had to say, I would not have reached the point where I could move beyond their guidelines and discover that I am more than pure awareness and that there is nothing wrong with being more than pure awareness. I encourage everyone to dare to question all allegedly sacred teachings and teachers. Trust your inner wisdom and your ability to reason, and learn to decide for yourself.

That said, below are the things I like and dislike about nondual teachings. At the end of the discussion I present my likes and dislikes in tabular form.

Things about Nondual Teachings I like:

The principle that we are all one.

One of the key tenets of nondual teachings is that we are all one and not separate from each other. I agree, and believe this is a wonderful thing to believe and understand. Even though I believe love makes it so a person would love another person even if that other person was completely separate from himself, it is good when an understanding of Oneness inspires him to view others as a part of himself.

The principle that we are the awareness that is aware of our existence.

People who aren’t spiritually alert tend to underemphasize the fact that the part of their self that is aware of what they perceive is a major part of who they are. Nondual teachings inspire people to consider the significance of this awareness aspect of their being.

The principle that happiness is found inside rather than outside.

A lot of people are too focused on trying to obtain happiness, peace, love, meaning, and fulfillment through outward means. So much so that they fail to see how much these very desirable attributes can be found inside within their own being which is connected to and a part of the great Oneness that exists. Nondual teachings can inspire people to seek positive attributes such as happiness inwardly, rather than outwardly.


Things about Nondual Teachings I don’t like:

The principle that there is no such thing as an individual being.

A lot of expounders of nonduality contend that there is no such thing as an individual being, eternal soul, an I, a someone. Rather, they contend that there is only One Self. If one considers this viewpoint very thoroughly one will see that it isn’t a good thing because if it’s true, then eventually there will be only One Self all by its lonesome self for all of eternity.

Unless a person believes that he will get to be that One Self, or believes that it is okay that his future includes non-existence rather than immortality, I don’t understand how he could believe that the nondual viewpoint I am speaking of is a good thing. This would be a bad thing to believe even if things worked out so that he ends up being the One Self because he would be alone for allllllllllllllllllllll of eternity! Also, if he lived according to love, he would feel sad about the many beings who no longer get to exist.

I’ve found that it isn’t our sense of self that causes us to feel as if we are separate from others. Rather, our self-centered viewpoints cause us to feel this way. Once we let go of such viewpoints we find that we are one and many at the same time. This is a wonderful thing because it means that our future includes an eternal way of being where we share love completely with each other.

This isn’t just wishful hypothetical thinking. People including myself have had experiences where we found that we eventually obtain a state of being where we are one and many at the same time. Each of us exists substantially enough so we can share love completely with each other for all of eternity.

The principle that we are only awareness.

As I said above, it is great that nondual teachings get people to consider the awareness aspect of themselves. Unfortunately, nondual teachings sometimes encourage people to do this to such an extreme extent that they end up underestimating the reality as well as the value of the creative and mind aspects of being.

Without our creative aspect of being, our awareness wouldn’t have anything to be aware of. What would be the point of living in such a non-experiential state? When I say this I have it in mind that even basic qualities such as love and peace are something that the creative aspect of being brought into existence. There’s also a lot to like about the other things the creative aspect of being has brought about, such as beautiful landscapes and music. When it comes to the mind aspect of being, please consider what I said during the earlier part of this article. (And at other places that can be found within my books and this site.)

When some people find out about the awareness aspect of themselves they also find out about the love, happiness and peace that can be found within their own being. On some occasions they become so enamored with what they find that they feel as if they have to push the other parts of themselves such as their mind and identity away. This is especially so if they are directed by a guru who claims that they have to transcend their mind and sense of self completely.

It is true that eventually we want to find that we are much more than a body-based being, but this doesn’t mean that we have to give up our mind and sense of individuality. Say a person is a rock star for a while. He becomes very identified with being a rock star and tries to find self worth and fulfillment through such an identity. Eventually, however, he finds that the perfection his soul seeks can’t be obtained through such an approach. Therefore, he seeks a spiritual approach and discovers that he is much more than the body-based person that people know as a rock star. He understands that he is a divine spirit being who incarnates into a body for a while and plays the role of rock star.

In order to become free of the imperfections that go along with being a rock star he doesn’t have to completely forget what it is like to be a rock star. Even though such an experience has some imperfections, it also includes facets that will help his soul become wiser. Perhaps he’ll find out that one doesn’t obtain true love and self worth by being treated in the way rock stars are treated. He’ll discover that self worth is found when one becomes a being who lives according to positive qualities such as humility and love. Self worth is found in such a way because how could a person not feel good about himself if he lives according to such wonderful qualities?

Spiritual transcendence isn’t obtained by denying one’s unique role as a part of the Oneness or by denying one’s mind. It is found by learning to use one’s mind and the creative aspect of being in a wise and loving way. Sometimes an experience of what doesn’t work, such as being a rock star, helps us find what works.

With the above in mind, I hope you might be able to relate to why I don’t like it when nondual teachings emphasize the awareness aspect of being to such an extent that they end upmaking the mistake of denying other aspects of being that are just as much a part of who we are. Perhaps you’ll also understand why I don’t like it when gurus present themselves as enlightened and infallible and their followers are therefore highly unlikely to question this excessive emphasis on the awareness aspect of being.

The principle that the World isn’t real.

I’d like to begin by saying that I understand that this World we find ourselves in isn’t the first, final and ultimate reality. Due to experiences I’ve had and whatmakes sense to me I understand that our true horizons are far beyond this World. However, this doesn’t mean that this World doesn’t exist in a substantial way while we are incarnated in it.

I am aware of a number of occasions where a person spoke to his guru about his concerns for the problems that exist within this World, and in response his guru would tell him to not worry about such problems because this World is nothing but an illusion. On some occasions a guru will state that the World we experience while awake isn’t any different than the World we experience while dreaming and therefore, there is no need to be concerned.

The fact of the matter is that there is a significant difference between the reality we experience during a dream and what we experience while in this waking state World. If you have a nightmare where you experience people going through horrendous things, the person who sleeps next to you might notice your discomfort and shake you so you’ll wake up and no longer experience your dream state World. You’ll find that, much to your relief, the problems that existed during your dream no longer exist.

The same can’t be said with this waking state World. No matter how much the person you share a bed with shakes you the problems of this World aren’t going to go away. Many people are in fact suffering very intensely. This fact doesn’t go away no matter how callous a guru gets when he tells his followers that they don’t have to worry about the problems and suffering that exist in this World.

Now some people might say that some gurus tell their followers to go ahead and do things to help make this World a better place, and I suppose some do. However, this doesn’t negate the fact that some gurus do get their followers to become indifferent about the problems of the World we live in.

I remember how it was with the guru-based group I used to belong to. Some members, including the guru himself, believed they were superior to people who concerned themselves with the problems that exist in this World. They believed that only an ignorant person who believes that this World is real would be concerned about what takes place within it. I believe it is a big mistake for a person who has the concept that the World isn’t real to disregard suffering because no matter how obsessively he holds on to such a concept, many people within this World are in fact suffering.

Indifference often leads to non-action. For the sake of discussion, please let me assume that you are a person who doesn’t approve of what took place in Iraq for the past decade. A part of the reason the war in Iraq took place is because George W. Bush became the President of the United States. If U.S.citizens would’ve voted differently (possible Florida shenanigans aside), perhaps Bush would not have been elected and resultantly the Iraq war and all of the negative consequences would not had taken place.

Quite often people don’t vote because they are indifferent. As far as I could tell the people who belonged to the nondual guru-based group I belonged to didn’t vote. Why would they if they believed that the World is only an illusion they didn’t need to be concerned about?

When people believe in such a way they conclude that any suffering that took place (and continues to take place) within Iraq is only an illusion. If you spoke to a little Iraqi girl who was burned very badly by an explosion, she would of course tell you a different story. Her pain and the resulting scars would be very real despite what some supposed enlightened person who compares life in this World to life in a dream has to say about the matter. I swear, indifference that is based on nondual teachings can be quite an ugly thing.

The principle that we don’t have free will.

Some nondual gurus say that we don’t have free will. When they say such a thing they erroneously believe that they are being sophisticated thinkers. I’ve found that we always have a place within ourselves that enables us to have free will. It is just that sometimes we get so caught up in our psychological conditioning that we don’t use our free will in a wise and loving way. The more we learn about the value of using our free will in a wise and loving way rather than acting according to reactive psychological conditioning, the more we’ll choose a wise and loving way.

If a person takes on the belief that he doesn’t have free will, it becomes a self-defeating prophecy. He will manifest according to what he believes. If he follows a guru he believes is enlightened and therefore infallible, and this guru tells him that he doesn’t have free will, he might have a hard time finding out that he does have free will. This leads to the next thing I don’t like about nondual teachings.

For the most part they are based on what supposedly enlightened and infallible gurus have to say.

When you try to determine the validity of a particular thought system it is often helpful to consider its history. If a thought system was started by people who put themselves on a pedestal as infallible authority figures, tell others that they hold the key to their spiritual welfare, have others surrender their lives to them, and allow others to treat them in a worshipful way, then perhaps the validity of that thought system should be questioned.

Despite how nondual teachings sometimes manifest in the West, they originate from gurus who fit the above description. There is usually more to the description than I stated above. Some gurus abuse their followers under the premise that they do so in order to help them overcome their ego. (Please read this article if you want to find out more about gurus http://nondualityisdualistic.com/articles-2/do-you-need-a-guru-december-9-2011/.)

Even if gurus didn’t do things such as set things up so their followers treat them in a worshipful way, I am still opposed to how they present themselves because they do so as if they are enlightened beings and beyond being wrong about spiritual matters. As a result, and as discussed above, when a person decides to believe what such a guru says he ends up having a hard time thinking outside of the belief system provided by the guru, because the belief system includes the concept that the guru can’t be wrong. My feeling is that any person who truly respected and loved others wouldn’t do something that causes the people he teaches to believe that what he says can’t be questioned. A responsible person would never do something that gets other people caught up in a psychological trap.

A person who isn’t under the spell of the guru game would see that this is in fact what is taking place. There are many people who are trapped within a guru-based thought system. They are having a hard time seeing their way out of such a thought system partly because it includes the insidious and mind controlling ingredient that a guru can’t be wrong when it comes to spiritual matters. Some followers take this problem to a further extreme and believe that their guru can’t be wrong about anything.

What I like and dislike about Nondual teachings in tabular form:


Likes:|Dislikes:

The importance of Oneness.|The mistake of believing that you have to deny the existence of a multiplicity of souls in order for Oneness to exist.


Awareness is a part of who we are.|The awareness aspect of Self is sometimes emphasized to an extent that the importance and reality of the mind and creative aspects of being are denied.


Happiness is found inside.|The World is just an illusion so you don’t have to worry about the suffering that takes place within it.
We don’t have free will.
The long history of Guru as infallible authority figure.


Chapter 15



Regarding Earth Changes and 2012


First of all I’ll begin by saying that I don’t know much about the Mayan Calendar. Regarding it predicting the end of the world, well, on Internet-land there are many sites that speak of the Mayan Calendar and, as happens with a land of divergent opinions and purposes, they have divergent conclusions.

Fortunately, I haven’t found it necessary to work myself through the large Mayan Calendar puzzle because I have made contact with my spirit guidance. I know this guidance is trustworthy and it has let me know that, despite my skepticism about 2012, significant changes are going to take place in the near future (I don’t mean the end of the world).

One of the first messages I received about these changes occurred while meditating one morning. I first heard and saw a planet explode into rocks. I could feel the impact of this taking place. Next I saw and heard a planet explode into fire. Next I saw a planet explode into white light. At the time I didn’t connect this three-part message to 2012, but I did connect it to the Earth changes people speak of. I figured the white light explosion was a very positive sign.

At a later time I received messages stating that if a minimal number of people reach the point where they live according to love to a significant degree, this world will change for the better. The key point is that love is more than an energy that feels good, it also contains much wisdom. This wisdom enables a person to understand principles such as why it is important to be humble and to care for others deeply. It is more than a matter of need, it is also a matter of understanding how fulfilling it is to be a person who lives according to love and is able to care for others.

If a minimal number of people reach the point where they can radiate love to others to a significant degree, this will inspire these other people to do the same and before you know it a game of love tag will be in place. Not only will more people than before radiate love to each other, they’ll create and radiate fewer negative thoughts and less negative energy than before. Since for the most part the outer is a reflection of the inner, more positive action and less negative action will result.

This increase in love and decrease of negative energy will cause the world’s vibratory level to increase. This will cause negative influences to be repelled and positive influences to be attracted. Also, since it is more accurate to say that reality exists at energetic levels rather than in a 3D space-oriented way, faster vibrating realms where beings of love and light abide will make a stronger energetic connection to this world.

To an extent that is hard to specify, even one person can bring more love into the world by opening up to divine love and thereby providing a way where more love can be channeled into the world. I’m speaking of a love portal.

A point was reached where it was determined that I would be provided with information about negative change-related events that might take place. I emphasized the word might because I’m not certain how etched in stone these negative events are. I believe there are occasions when people receive messages about future unfavorable events, not for the purpose of communicating what will happen no matter what, but to convey what is most likely to happen unless the human race changes for the better.

Despite how people often respond when they hear about such messages, they aren’t sent frivolously. RATHER, light beings send them because they hope a significant number of people will respond to them and do what is necessary to make positive changes. It is as if we are like people who sit comfortably in a living room watching TV as the rest of the house is on fire, and the people from outside who try to warn them with limited effect are the spirit beings who try to warn us about possible Earth changes.

The spirit beings who send us warning messages have great concern for the suffering and hardships many people (and our furry animal friends) are going through and will continue to go through to an even greater degree unless we change for the better. They have concern even though they are aware of the big picture which includes the fact that most if not all of the people who suffer will eventually find the perfection of the light. The thing is, abiding at a higher level doesn’t mean being aware of one part of the equation while ignoring the rest. It means being aware of all parts of the equation even if some of the math is uncomfortable to deal with.

It might seem unrealistic to suggest that people watching TV in a burning house wouldn’t notice that other parts of the house are on fire, but it isn’t unrealistic to suggest that many people aren’t sufficiently aware of how this world is in dire straits and there is a tremendous need for positive change. It also isn’t unrealistic to suggest that many people are scoffing at people who speak about coming catastrophes and possible invasions by unfriendly aliens, even though they haven’t seriously looked into and considered what these messengers have to say.

Oh, I had to go there, didn’t I? I had to speak of an unfriendly alien invasion. I’ll explain why I chose to do so. To begin, one night I had a dream and I was in a room on the second floor of a building that was located in a small desert town. It seemed as if this town was in Southern California. I was watching the news on TV and they showed a film of a flood that was taking place right in the area I was located. I found this hard to believe because I didn’t understand how so much water could be located in the desert far away from an ocean. So I got up, looked out the window, and saw that a large flood was in fact taking place. Next I hid in a part of the building that was hard to locate by others so unfriendly beings couldn’t get to me. They didn’t find me and people who have a positive approach to life survived (including myself) and the unfriendly beings were unsuccessful in what they attempted.

Some of you might say, “So what, it was only a dream. Perhaps his subconscious mind was influenced by what he had been reading and therefore thinking about.” The fact of the matter is that I hadn’t been reading and thinking about floods and invasions by unfriendly beings. Also, before this dream took place I had analyzed thousands of my dreams and found that even though there are occasions when nothing more than meanderings of my subconscious mind takes place, most of the time my dreams are spirit messages. Because I’ve analyzed a lot of dreams, I’ve come to learn about the subtle things dream creators (higher self and spirit guidance) do in order to make it clear that they created the dream. In this case I believe the fact of how I saw the flooding first take place on TV, doubted what was reported, and then looked outside and saw the flooding take place in a very detailed way, shows that more than the random mishmash meanderings of my subconscious mind was involved. Plus, the part of the dream where positive people survived and unfriendly beings failed came to me as a package of information the random meanderings of my subconscious mind probably couldn’t duplicate.

Around the same time I had a dream where I was in a house that was located next to what seemed to be the Pacific Ocean. Large waves of water came towards the California coast. These waves were accompanied by unfriendly beings. Once again, people who took a positive approach to life survived while the unfriendly beings failed.

In another dream Dannion Brinkley and I were in a room watching TV (Dannion is a well-known near-death experiencer who speaks publicly about Earth changes). Dannion said, “It is really hot,” and got up and stood by a window with the curtain partly in front of him (the part about the curtain being in front of him is a detail the random meanderings of my subconscious mind probably wouldn’t come up with). This concerned me because I didn’t want my bedroom to be too warm when I went to sleep. So I walked to my bedroom window to open the drapes and let cool nighttime air in, and to my surprise I saw the ocean with a vibrant shade of blue. This surprised me, because there isn’t an ocean behind my waking-state bedroom. Suddenly, the waves became very active and large and came up to my house. I said, “Dannion, look how much water there is!”

I’ve had other dreams that made similar points. Some were lucid, and each seemed to be a part of a puzzle. I don’t believe it would be productive to provide all the details, however, I will say that beings who represent the light, both human and non-human, are shown taking on the task of dealing with these unfriendly beings.

I have also received messages about the coming changes and unfriendly aliens while awake. For instance, one night I watched the movie Communion. This movie is about Whitley Strieber’sreported alien abduction events, and Christopher Walken played Whitley. As I lay in bed later that night, I first saw and heard an image of Christopher Walken. He looked at me in a very intense way and said, “It’s a fact.” Next I was shown the image of an unfriendly alien. It seemed clear to me that this two-part message meant that some people have been abducted by unfriendly aliens. (I don’t believe the message served the purpose of saying one way or the other what happened to Whitley.) If you’re wondering if this might’ve been something my mind created, well, when you receive a lot of spirit messages in visual form, you find that there is a specific feeling behind many of them. I don’t mean just the feeling that goes along with the message, but also the sense that the message was sent by a conscious spirit being. When I received this message I had this sense.

In order to determine if the unfriendly beings perceived in two of the dreams discussed above were unfriendly aliens, while meditating I asked for a confirmation. I was shown an image of Captain Picard (from Star Trek the Next Generation) with a very concerned look on his face. I know this might seem like a silly message to receive, but anybody who has received numerous spirit messages in visual form would probably be able to understand why a message that has serious intent would be sent in such a way. Since Spirit Pictionary can be a challenging way to communicate, a spirit being will use any image that will do the trick, even if the image received might seem silly.

On another occasion I received a message in the form of a short waking dream, and I experienced myself in a spaceship and Counselor Deanna Troy (also from Star Trek the Next Generation) was very concerned about what was going to take place (a possible invasion by unfriendly aliens), and she asked if there is anybody concerned enough to respond, and a friendly man responded (I can’t remember who).

In a similar way I received a message that unfriendly alien beings are already interacting with this world, perhaps in the form of human-looking clones. The next day I received a related message which seemed to make the point that friendly beings are keeping track of the unfriendly aliens. I don’t know to what extent.

I’m not alone when it comes to receiving this kind of message. A man named Mark Aubrey shares what he learned about unfriendly alien beings known as Reptilians in his book Keep it Simple. Perhaps the name Reptilian made you wonder about my sanity and discrimination. If so, I know where you are coming from. I used to jokingly refer to the Reptilians people speak of as Lizards. But eventually my guidance decided to let me know about the reality of such beings, as partly described above.

Even though there are questionable sources that speak of Reptilians, I’ve found that some seem trustworthy. For example, when it comes to Mark Aubrey, going by the impression I got of him as I read his book and some of his Internet forum postings, he seems like a sincere man with good intentions. I’m not saying he’s infallible and never gets it wrong, but he seems to have better discrimination than most people.

In his book (a free electronic copy can be found at this site,
http://issuu.com/tayesin/docs/keep_it_simple)
Mark wrote (page 155):

What follows is a little discussion I ‘heard,’ [during an out-of-body experience] apparently these ‘reptilians’ were actively working at bringing about the Armageddon scenario as described in the Bible, they were also actively involved in producing numbers of earthquakes including some large ones around the planet and were here in massive numbers, although the larger main force is on standby within our Solar System, in ‘cloaked ships’.

Also, from page 155, an explanation as to why unfriendly aliens don’t attack:

One being suggested simply attacking and destroying the Dark Forces, but this was answered with, “Should we choose that option they will respond with a full force attack upon that world and us. We do not have sufficient numbers here as yet to deal with such a situation.” Another being asked, “Could we not destroy them one ship at a time when we see them? And the answer was, “that action will also provoke a full-scale attack. How we deal with this situation must be very well planned and not make any provocations.”

Kay Wilson is another person I find to be credible, and she speaks of her experiences with Reptilian-like beings at her site:
http://www.alienjigsaw.com/ and in her books I Forgot What I Wasn’t Supposed to Remember (available for free at her site) and The Alien Jigsaw. A lot the information she provides isn’t based on hypnotic regression (as is true with some alien abductees). Rather, Kay has had numerous lucid dreams where she received information, often in a symbolic way. Going by what I have read, she hasn’t figured out what all of the information she received means, hence the title Alien Jigsaw. However, enough of what she shares shows that on some occasions she has been in contact with Reptilian-like beings. She has also been in contact with beings she refers to as Super Conscious Beings and they seem to be beings of love and light. On one occasion she experienced as follows (from page 221 of I Forgot What I Wasn’t Supposed to Remember):

In July of 1997, I had another contact involving Super Conscious Beings. I was shown past deaths and suffering of family members and some of my pets. I was told that in the reliving of these deaths, I was being prepared for more death and more loss, and I was told that I had to accept this because this would be a part of my life. I then looked up into the sky and saw what would happen in our future:

A slit or hole will appear in the night sky and it will be surrounded by a fuzzy haze. Out of the slit will come two waves of hundreds of alien craft to attack us. The type of slit-like hole in space surrounded by the fuzzy haze will signify that these craft are from another dimension…

…They will attack Israel first, followed by Northern Europe and then the United States, but it will happen so quickly that it will not be possible to save Israel or Northern Europe. There will be pockets of survivors, but the countries will be devastated. Our military will engage them over the United States and we will destroy more of them than we thought possible. However, more people will die than survive.

From page 222 of I Forgot What I Wasn’t Supposed to Remember:

It would be another two years before I would have another vision. This vision occurred in April of 2004:

We will go to war with a humanoid alien race. It will be a worldwide war. Many people will be shipped out to fight in various parts of the world. The only way to know if loved ones are alive will be to see if their names are absent from the death lists.

I was shown that the aliens would have molted skin with rough textured complexions. They will be very aggressive toward humans. The war will seem hopeless, but we will have no other choice but to fight to defend our planet. Humans would be marginalized and will be nothing more than numbers…just bodies and fodder in the fight against these aliens.

From page 224 of I Forgot What I Wasn’t Supposed to Remember:

It was the despondency on her face (a female Grey alien with slightly different features than Greys usually have) and in her eyes that I cannot get out of my mind. The look in her eyes was as if she were a tortured soul crying out to save humanity. Crying for us, abductees, to save humanity.

When it comes to places like the California coast flooding, numerous people have received messages about such a possibility. On one occasion while I was meditating and in contact with my spirit guidance, I suddenly experienced myself (non-physically) on huge waves of the Pacific Ocean as they rushed towards the California coast. Next, I experienced myself standing on the California coast and saw what seemed to be solar flares shooting towards the ground. There have been a number of occasions while awake where I would be shown scenes of travails taking place on this planet. On one occasion I saw spaceships in the air, and they crashed to the ground as if they were shot down. My first interpretive response to this message was that unfriendly alien beings will be shot down and fail, but I’m not certain.

Whatever the case–and very fortunately–I have also received messages stating that in the end this world will become a wonderful place despite the difficulties we’ll have to go through. On one occasion I was shown people going through great difficulties, and then I was shown groups of very happy people dancing hand-in-hand in circles. It seemed quite clear to me that the latter part of this message meant that things will work out very well.

On another occasion I was once again shown people going through great difficulty, and then I looked up in the sky (non-physically) and saw a bright light that shined down upon this world. I could tell that this light represented the Christ light. I’m not the only person to receive messages about this world changing for the better. Near-death experiencers (NDEers) Jessica Carde, Ned Dogherty, Angie Fenimore, David Oakford, Reinee Pasarow, Ricky Randolph, George Ritchie and Howard Storm all received information, mainly during their NDEs, that in the near future this world will ascend to a higher level of being that is based on love.
(See powerpointparadise.com – N.D.E. Revelations About the Future, and
http://www.near-death.com/ - The NDE and the Future – Ken William’s research conclusions.)

As odd as this might sound, in the long run it could be good if this world goes through the predicted changes and difficulties. Our world is already going through so much difficulty and things may have reached the point where further difficulties can’t be avoided. Consider it this way: If things continue the way they are, then more generations of souls will be required to incarnate into lifetimes that not only bring suffering, but also influence many of them to develop in a negative way. When the latter happens, not only do such souls end up manifesting in a negative way in this world, they also end up going to lower realms, at least for a time, after they die. Since positive soul growth is preferred, it is unfortunate that so many souls have to take on the extended responsibility of incarnations that become negative.

On the other hand, if one generation is willing to go through a lot of turmoil and in the end, people who live according to a higher way of being survive and make this world a better place, future generations of incarnating souls will no longer have to go through such difficult incarnations. For example, rape victims and rapists, abused people and abusers, people forced into prostitution (including children) and the people who get them involved with prostitution such as pimps, people who are bullied and their bullies, people in poverty and the greedy self-centered people who don’t care, and so on.

Sure it is quite sad that people from a transitional generation will either have to suffer through a very difficult period or die; however, it is important to understand that the souls who go through such difficulty and/or die, volunteered to take on such a challenge before they incarnated. They did so partly because they wanted to do their part in making it so future generations will be much more positive than they would be if significant changes don’t take place.

Or in other words, what is better? For the status quo to continue as it is and perhaps become even worse so future generations continue to suffer, or, for people of a change-oriented generation to go through a difficult transitional period that leads to positive future generations? It is important to factor in that many people from a generation of possible great change are already going through great difficulty.

Regarding the possibility of love-based people surviving the Earth changes rather than negative-minded people, it is hard to say in a specific way how this will come to be. NDEers such as Howard Storm and Ned Dougherty wrote that divine will is going to arrange it so people who live according to love will survive rather than people who live in a negative way. There is also the factor of how people such as myself have received messages stating that loved-based people will survive.

If this approach seems insensitive to negative-minded people, all I can say is that if I were a person who did something such as abuse my children, forced people into prostitution, pushed drugs, or greedily hoarded things for myself while many other people have to do without, I would want my life to come to an end for the sake of people who are harmed by my actions and for the sake of my spiritual welfare. I make this latter point with the thought that if I was a bad person, the more I continued to live my life in a way where I harmed others, the more my soul would develop in a negative way and the more difficulty I would have to go through after I died. Plus, if somehow despite my confused and dark state of mind I was able to see the big picture, I wouldn’t want to hang around and be a person who interferes with the positive changes this world requires. It would be much better if I rejoined the spirit world, even if I ended up in a lower realm for a while.

If the viewpoint is true that some souls don’t find their way back to the light, then it becomes even more important for us to make this world a better place so incarnating into this world doesn’t continue to have such a negative effect on the souls that incarnate into it.

If you are interested in visiting an Internet site that shares Earth change-related dreams, you might want to check out:
http://www.greatdreams.com/.
This site leads to a sub-link called Dreams of Aliens and UFOS, and some of the dreams speak of possible alien invasions:
http://www.greatdreams.com/alien.htm .

I am checking this out and will comment further at a later time. If the planetary alignment between Saturn, Venus and Mercury for December 3rd, 2012 can be verified, then this will be a verification and part of the New World Cosmic Logos dispensation.


[3:28:46 PM-June 9th, 2012 +10UCT
Tonyblue: http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/2012-and-the-pyramids-at-giza/
[3:28:53 PM] Tonyblue: oh yes this could be rather fitting
[3:28:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes that is the link
[3:29:04 PM] Tonyblue: Orion is the Dragon Den in a way
[3:29:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: then down the page further he does some numerology on the patriarchs
[3:29:28 PM] Tonyblue: I have to look at the science closely, often there is much humbug in people's interpretations of the symbols
[3:29:51 PM] Tonyblue: But the planetary alignment will be important if it verifies
[3:30:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes well he is a bit wishy washy, but he did find this using an astro program and i thought it was interesting what he said about the 1952 thing, not sure on his accuracy
[3:35:41 PM] Tonyblue: Yes he thinks of himself as a Moses and we know Moses is an office and never existed as a person, but nevertheless there is some good stuff
[3:35:57 PM] Tonyblue: he is onto something like we are with the codes of the Torah
[3:36:21 PM] Tonyblue: I am interested in this alignment December 3rd
[3:36:30 PM] Tonyblue: Is this confirmed by other sources?
[3:36:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i thought he might be why i homed in on it
[3:36:44 PM] Tonyblue: This is what you might check out
[3:36:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: i am not sure, he says you can look with any astro program and find it
[3:37:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: all i keep finding is his stuff, i have not checked it out yet, not too good at that stuff
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p270-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history#75940
[4:17:52 PM] Tonyblue: see those dates match the cosine chart pretty much exactly?
[4:17:57 PM] Tonyblue:

Charles Marcello 125 January 29, 2012 at 3:54 am

In my opening blog I mentioned Feb 4, 2012 as day to watch… I have a running hypotheses if there is an active religious cult preparing to venerate Dec 3, 2012, then according to esoteric experts they must follow certain ancient religious doctrine… if any of it is true then we should see something physical, political, or economical happen, or the process begin somehow on Feb 4, plus or minus twenty-four hours.

As an added bonus for the month of February… last year I had a dream warning me about 155 days and an earthquake. I told my wife about the dream an she suggested I mark our calendar and see what happens. Well I forgot all about it, and several days after the day to watch had passed I noticed the calendar, and dismissed the whole thing as another crazy dream. Well I’ve just learned of a 188 day cycle where people demand 4 times in a row now an earthquake 7.0 or higher has struck somewhere in world exactly 188 days apart (plus or minus 24hrs) and the next 188 day cycle could happen on March 22, 2012. So now I’m wondering if that dream was trying to explain the cycle has now changed or will change sometime in the future to a 155 day cycle. Thereby shortening this current cycle of destruction by 33 days. IF… the cycle has changed then the days to watch are Feb 18 thru the 20, with the exact date being Feb 19… March 22 minus 33 days equals February 19.

Now I’m not asking anyone to believe in any of this, for I too am extremely skeptical… however, if Feb 4 comes (plus or minus 24hrs) and no crazy physical, political, or economic news happens, and then if nothing happens on second possible date in June then this hypotheses can be thrown away forever. And if nothing happens this February 19 yet the 188 day cycle still continues… well I guess I will have to see if the cycle shortens sometime in the future by 33 days. Yet if nothing happens Feb 19 or March 22 (plus or minus 24hrs), then perhaps Dec 3 2012 is nothing more then an interesting kawinkadink… and all of my dreams equal nothing more then my subconscious trying to catalog all that I’ve read, watched and or listened to over the last several years… one things for certain however, I’m about to find out one way or another. And I figured I might as well bring you people along for the ride.

–Charles Marcello

[4:18:40 PM] Tonyblue: Feb 5th is the Uncovering of Noah's Ark
[4:18:57 PM] Tonyblue: March 20th were the triple Equinox earthquakes
[4:19:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes seems he has tapped into the timeline in an odd way
[4:20:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: what would the dec 3rd date mean though?
[4:20:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: and such an alignment
[4:22:25 PM] Tonyblue: February 19th was the minimum midpoint of the 59 dragonweeks etc coinciding with the February 8th alignment in the gnosis from January 21st and the Year of the Water Dragon and the Aquarius New Moon
[4:22:50 PM] Tonyblue: Yes he uses the Old Testament without the religion bias as a source code like Thuban does
[4:23:35 PM] Tonyblue: I will work on this I already found the December 16th 2012 correlation to Susan's December 16th, 2013 as the Mayan calibration
[4:24:33 PM] Tonyblue: Some of his numerology is a bit vague and rather general, but the 27-18-9 of course relates to 1881=1980 etc and the 1953 year is encoded in the pyramid as we have seen
[4:25:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah, poor guy i almost feel bad for him because he really has no idea what he has found
[4:25:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: but he knows he has found something significant
[4:25:41 PM] Tonyblue: yes and his logic regarding the Freemasons and the ptb is also spot on imo

[4:27:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: Also, it should be noted, that planetary convergence only happens every 2,737 years, and its different for at least 2 more cycles running the program forward… and doesn’t happen again for over 28,000 YEARS if you run that program backwards in time…
[4:27:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: and is this accurate, i dont know about convergence, but conjunctions happen a lot
[4:28:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: but if he is correct it seems to have a very long cycle and indicates something with the precesion
[4:51:55 PM]Tonyblue: There are interesting critiques and comments on his linked sites, both supportive and dismissive
[4:53:47 PM] Tonyblue: Terence Mckenna, misguided Bonacci and the Golden Ratio are all addressed, as well as the vantage points to the sphinx, measuring the alignments
[4:54:09 PM] Tonyblue: Overall, his take stands the credibility tests imo and this thread and blog is CURRENT with the Venus Transit

[4:54:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: http://www.mauricecotterell.com/ he mentions this guy too
[4:57:03 PM]Tonyblue: Well he is an old source of David Wilcock and David changed his mind regarding the Cotterell calculations
[4:58:03 PM] Tonyblue: This is known as the great 'Wilcock change of mind', which he admitted genuinely I should add
[4:58:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: what will the spinx be looking at?
[5:00:21 PM] Tonyblue: The sphinx faced due West-East when it was built or constructed at the precessional midpoint at 10,802 BC
[5:00:38 PM] Tonyblue: Details are on Susan's blogs
[5:01:27 PM] Tonyblue: This is also the alignment date for the Belt of Orion and also the Dragon Constellation in Cambodia's Ankor Wat's Temple Complex.
[5:01:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: so i am guessing it will be staring into the hunab ku
[5:01:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: dark rift
[5:04:11 PM] Tonyblue: Not important, as many observation points allow this in the alignment of the solar system's ecliptic plane with the annual December solstice
[5:05:27 PM] Tonyblue: This is encoded as the 'Street of the Logos' and the Rebuilt Temple/Holy City/Sanctuary in Daniel and is known as the Kuxan Suum by the Maya as the 'Way and Journey' back to Hunab Ku as the galactic centre
[5:11:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PUxeAXQasE
[5:11:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: found this
[5:16:03 PM] Tonyblue: Good find Raven
Ishtara Raven



by Charles Marcello

I happen to be one of those people who believes nothing is going to happen in 2012. However, in order to prove that to myself, I have been studying this issue for about four years now. While studying ancient cultures I noticed that each of them had a fascination with the planets. The stars are mentioned of course, but not nearly as much as the planets. So when I saw a video a few years ago talking about Orion’s Belt being the reason why the Pyramids were built, or at least the Pyramids were built to honor Orion’s Belt… to say I did not believe that was true would be an understatement.

I felt if the Pyramids at Giza were built to honor anything it would be a planet convergence of some kind. So when I started looking at the night sky while using the FREE online program… Stellarium… my mind was already searching for clues. I wanted to see if there was anything worth mentioning regarding planet alignments in 2012. What lead me too… or what helped me find… the picture below… I was completely taken aback by what I found. To be completely honest I never in a millions years would have thought I would actually be able to prove my theory was in fact correct. But I cannot deny, and I don’t think any honest person can deny… What will happen in the night sky over Giza and how it seems to mimic the lay out of the Pyramids at Giza, is very interesting indeed… Especially since everyone already knows the Mayan’s attached great importance to the year 2012… now that makes this discovery even more interesting and plausible… especially since… the ending and restarting of the Progression of the Equinox… (The natural wobble of the Earth that finishes a full cycle only once every 26,000 years or so…)

Whether you believe something will happen in 2012 or not, is not important… The fact is that the planetary alignment matches layout of Pyramids at Giza on 12.3.12 and this will happen just 18 days before 12.21.12. … 6 plus 6 plus 6 = 18… Even the most ardent skeptics have to admit, that is one hell’va kawinkadink indeed!!!

Planetary alignment that will take place Dec 3, 2012 is dead-on alignment with the Pyramids at Giza. Night Sky in Giza, Egypt on December 3, 2012, local time … one hour before sunrise compared with the Pyramids at Giza. Image generated by Starry Night Pro (the same view of the planets can be obtained using any other astronomy program, e.g. Stellarium.

If you go to this link you will read about this discovery of mine. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread519207/pg2#pid7564861 … You will also notice that picture of Giza was posted by another member of that site… I posted his picture and Dec 3 2012 together… to allow you to decide for yourself. Please take a look at that picture, or if you want to do a more in-depth analysis (please download Stellarium or use any other similar software, e.g Starry Night).

Also, it should be noted, that planetary convergence only happens every 2,737 years, and its different for at least 2 more cycles running the program forward… and doesn’t happen again for over 28,000 YEARS if you run that program backwards in time…

After watching a video on the net regarding the inner chambers of the great pyramid and how they seem to point to other stars in the night sky… I decided to see what else the night sky holds/will look like on Dec 3, 2012… I believe the evidence absolutely proves that what I discovered explains that the pyramids where built to honor (or warn about) specific time marked by the planetary convergence…

Positions of planets can be used as a perfect clock. Such a clock can mark date in time (in the past and/or in the future) and can be read by inteligent beings regardless of their language and calendar they use…

The following 3 images are presented here to confirm the “match” of the planets and the pyramids using a precise triangulation survey instead of a satellite photo (click on each image to enlarge):

Night Sky in Giza, Egypt on December 3, 2012, local time … one hour before sunrise.
Image generated by Starry Night Pro.


Image of the Night Sky in Giza, Egypt on December 3, 2012, local time … one hour before sunrise compared with the 1881 survey drawing of the Pyramids at Giza. The result is perfect match…

If the pyramids where built to honor Orion’s belt, instead of matching a planetary convergence seen only once every 2737 years, and only matching the Giza layout every fifth cycle… then why are there no other massive monolithic structures honoring other, more pronounced, constellations throughout Egypt, or the world for that matter… Every ancient culture seems to be honoring the Planets, with just passing homage to constellations… Why would the pyramids be different? The answer, they wouldn’t be… and what’s even stranger still… If you take the three sets of three pyramid groups at Giza, and add all of the three’s by two together… meaning, group 1, group 2, group 3.… add g1 to g2, g2 to g3, and g3 to g1, you get 6 plus 6 plus 6… 18… 18 plus Dec 3, equals Dec 21, 2012…

I have no doubt the Pyramids of Giza were built to honor an extremely rare planetary convergence. The creation story in the bible was created to tell that tale, and that, in part, is exactly what the Masons are celebrating. (Though the Pyramids are a lot older then the books of the bible.) The bad news for the Masons is, the stories they use to enhance the knowledge within each of its Masonic levels, has nothing to do with god or God, rather, it has everything to do with the science of our solar system, and planetary interactions… or more correctly, the Sun, Moon and Earth, the Hiram Key be damned. The stories in the bible, the first five books, has very little to do with God, more so then they have almost everything to do with extremely advanced ancient knowledge… that we can only recently understand and prove, that was in fact passed forward for the benefit of all mankind. The story of Moses and who he was gives great clues on how to re-read the first five books of the bible. The stories within the Mayan/Aztec cultures gives even more clues on how to understand the stories within the bible. There is still a lot more information that I firmly believe we will be able to discover throughout the world, and within other religious texts… that will either, support what I’m about to share with you, or perhaps… give more extremely ancient knowledge that the survivors (pay attention to that word) desperately felt they needed to pass forward. I could spend an incredible amount of time walking you through each level of this discovery. Yet I don’t want to ruin the journey for others. The picture proving the Pyramids at Giza do in fact match the planetary convergence that will take place one hour before sunrise on Dec 3, 2012 is presented here in order to get your attention. I’m going to allow you, YES YOU, the opportunity to learn these truths on your own. Learn what the Sphinx will be looking at on that day and until Dec 21, 2012. Learn which two planets will be dancing in the Western Sky just before sunrise in 2012… I will hint you towards the month of August. Learn which chambers some believe align to what stars/constellations from the Great Pyramid, and then discover where they will be on Dec 3, 2012 and then on Dec 21, 2012. Some of you will already know the answers, and you’re welcome. For those of you who don’t… get up off your ass and find out. For those of you who claim nothing is going to happen in 2012, you may in fact be right. The good news is, you have nothing to fear from simple people freaking out because of all the hype of 2012. The bad news is… Extremely powerful people believe in the ignorant stories passed forward by our not so distant ancestors… They deeply believe in the numbers. They deeply believe in the ancient sacrifices. They deeply believe they are in fact doing g/God’s(s) work.

• Count 144,000 days after Sept 11, 2001. You now know the amount of time we have left before they believe they must finish their work.
  
• Count 666 days before Dec 3, 2012 and then find out where your leaders were.
  
• Count June 10, 2011 to Dec 3, 2012. Count June 10 2011 to Feb 4th 2012, compare those numbers to Dec 3, 2012.
  
• Count how many days separate Feb 4th 2012 from June 10, 2012. Then start running the numbers and compare them to numerology, Paganist lore, and the Bible. (Notice that is the first time I’ve capitalized the world bible.)
  

I have in fact solved the Pyramid Mystery. It cannot be denied any longer… However, I’ve also discovered why these Paganist must stop. Your mythology is wrong. I truly wish it wasn’t but it is. If what I’ve discovered is true, you are going to suffer in ways you cannot even imagine… You will not be loved for what you are planning, you will be despised and hated by the gods…

• Compare our planet’s daily numbers to the distance of our Sun.
  
• Compare those numbers to ancient mythology.
  
• Compare the mathematical numbers to the days of the year you honor against those numbers and our solar system.
  
• Compare 3, 7, 21, 42, 72, 111, etc… against our planetary daily numbers and the mathematical numbers we know are true regarding our solar system.
  Compare them god damnit and open your eyes.
  

3³ = 9 x 3 = 27, not to mention 216 = 6x6x6 … which just happens to equal how many Sun’s you need to line up side by side to reach the Earth from the Sun. Who ever built those pyramids flew in space, period!!!
[ Editor's Note/Correction: On September 18-19 the distance of the Sun from Earth is approximately 150.336 million km, about 108 times that of the Sun’s diameter (or 216 times of the Sun’s Radius) ]

Dec 3 is exactly 18 days before Dec 21. 18days*24hrs*60min = 25,920. The Progression of the Equinox takes exactly 25,920 years.

Now learn the cycle of Dec 3, 2012. It only happens once every 2737 years… but only matches the Pyramids of Giza every 5th cycle. Yet… how many cycle does it take for that convergence to match not only the Pyramids of Giza, and then compare that to the creation story in the bible and Mason mythology. You now know why there are 33 levels… however you also learn there must be a 34th… it’s the only way they could possibly obtain balance in their order… just like you will learn the advanced mathematical, solaristic, and scientific understanding our truly ancient ancestors had to known of in order to build the pyramids the way they did, place them the way they did, and then hide all the information the way they did.


The story of Moses becomes even more incredible once you sit down and understand. All you need is your bible and the information I’ve mentioned above and you will learn so much. I could spend all day explaining this to you, destroying any chance you have of discovering all of these truths on your own. And I absolutely refuse to do so. Yet I know I cannot allow this information to go unknown for to much longer. It must be known before the end of this year, for so many reasons, if you study, you will understand completely. Read Captain Morgan’s Book. Read Your Bible. Read Maurice Cotterell’s book or watch his video’s on youtube. Watch or read Graham Hancock’s books or watch his youtube videos to understand the knowledge he and his co-authors have discovered. Then do the math I’ve mentioned above. Then research the Dec 3, 2012 and how long its been since this the last time this happened exactly 18 days before the progression of the Equinox. (if the progression of the equinox happens every 25,920 years, and that planetary convergence matches the pyramids every fifth cycle or 13,685… But can only be seen on earth every second cycle how many cycle does it take…) then Re-read the creation story. Compare the math… (1 day equals 24, 2 days equals 24 times 24, 3 days equals 24 times 24 times 24, etc etc… and then compare the stories you are told to believe regarding our earth, by both science and religions.) Compare the math… compare the stories. Compare the science… This is undeniable. UNDENIABLE!!! Later this year I’ll give you much more… Or for those who are extremely lazy… read my posts… the answers from beginning to end are there if you are smart enough to see them… Yet For now, I pass the rest of this journey onto you.

I do this to make sure the truth cannot die with me. I do this so as not to ruin or create bias as to how you, YOU, rediscover these truths on your own. The math is completely undeniable… The truth is so much more fantastic then you can imagine. And in time all the lies will be exposed and the true solutions will finally save ourselves from ourselves. The choice is yours… If you decide to begin this journey… All I will say is…

Enjoy the Ride…

Copyright by Charles Marcello


Part 2


Dec 3, 2012 planetary/pyramid convergence has another layer of intensity. Mars. The Red Pyramid (North Pyramid) mathematically matches the location of Mars in the heavens on Dec 3, 2012 in conjunction with those other three planets. So that means, four planets and four pyramids matching perfectly… that defies all accidental logic, or drastically weakens those hip shooting debunkers.

What they were trying to say with those four planets and pyramids becomes complicated. The Pyramids are a riddle that I believe I’ve cracked. Its kinda funny, a nobody from nowhere solving such a wonderful mystery seems totally ridiculous, especially in light of all the stuff I‘ve already done to completely change the world. Soon however, the whole world will have to decide (or possibly physically learn) if its true or not.

I believe the Pyramids have three different messages intertwined within them… I believe one of the three is a three dimensional mathematical equation passed forward by our truly ancient ancestors regarding our Solar System, (the great pyramid), Time (the Second Pyramid) and light (The Third Pyramid.) Still working on the significance of the Red Pyramid, though I believe I might have solved that as well. The answers are absolutely unbelievable. It seems completely ridiculous that a civilization existed in our distant past that was more advanced even then our own. But that is exactly what the math demands. Not only that, it appears the Roman Catholic Church has known this secret for a very long time. Which explains why the killed all who “believed”/taught the past differently then what they wanted the world to remember. That truth can be found hidden within the Gregorian Calendar, and within the Catholic Churches own historical writings… but I’m getting way ahead of myself.

The Mayan’s restart date begins on Dec 21, 2012. That cannot be denied, though people are coming out of the woodwork demanding its Oct 28, 2011, Dec 23/24/25, 2012… Or that it actually ended thirteen years ago or so. What people keep forgetting is Cortez and the Prophesied return of the Aztec God, that happened, to an eerie degree… exactly as it was prophesied, though not exactly as people believed it would… a lesson Jews alive right now who don‘t believe in God any more should really study when it comes to the prophetic bones and their coming future… I would explain that in more detail, but its not time for that. Right now I want to focus on some of the simple math.

Dec 21 is exactly 18 days away from Dec 3. The Catholic Church is solely responsible for those dates and the significance of the numbers hidden within. You see if I asked you how many pyramids exist at Giza the quick answer is 9. 9 plus 3 equals 12, or 12/12/12. However, if I asked you how many sixes you could create from the Pyramids at Giza the answer changes to 6, 6, 6, when added together equals 18, then when you add 18 to Dec 3 you get Dec 21, 2012. Now lets break down what the Catholic Church did on purpose.

3/12/12 equals 144. All the numbers below equal very biblical and world wide esoteric numbers.
12/12/12 equals 333 or 444.
21/12/12 equals 744.
For those who understand the significance of numerology within mystic belief systems like the Kabala, or the even darker aspects of esoteric beliefs, those dates and their mathematical importance means a great deal. Remember, it doesn’t matter if you believe this nonsense, it only matters that you understand extremely powerful people believe in this nonsense with all their heart, and at the expense of all our souls.

But that’s just the beginning. Because it was completely impossible for those who built those pyramids to know what kind of Calendar humanity would use when this important solar day happened. They hid their math inside the equation of the Pyramids… 3, 9 and 18.

• 3 days*24hours*60minutes equals 4320 * 60seconds equals 259,200
  
• 9 days*24hours *60 minutes equals 12,960 * 60 seconds equals 777,600
  
• 18days*24hours*60minutes equals 25,920 * 60seconds equals 1,555,200
  

The question becomes what do all of those numbers mean? Well it depends on how much you know about our planets physical and humanistic history . You see prior to circa 720 BC, the earth only had 360 days, and then something happened that added another five days to it. That is simple verifiable truth that existed all over the world, from the Mayan, Egyptian, to ancient Chinese cultures. There are many more I could mention, however I keep this list small in my attempt to keep this post short… if you study each of those cultures, search out what they say happened 2733 years ago. Once you do, the riddle for Mars hidden within the Pyramids begins to show itself.

• 4,320 / 360 equals 12 while 259,200 / 360 equals 720.
  
• 12,960 / 360 equals 36 while 777,600 / 360 equals 2160.
  
• 25,920 equals 72 while 1,555,200 / 360 equals 4,320
  

I could walk you through each of these numbers explaining just how wonderful they each are… instead I will skip ahead and give you the answers so you can search to see if they’re true or not.

• 25,920 years equals how many years our truly ancient ancestors demanded it took one cycle of the Progression of the Equinox to complete.
  
• 2160 years is how many years it takes for our planet to move from one Constellation into another.
  
• 72 equals a mathematical equation for our Sun. (that will be explained at some later date.)
  
• While 720 equals how many earth days it takes Mars to complete one ecliptic cycle around the Sun.
  
• 777,600 and 4,320 I’m going to leave for those who understand the next step to prove to themselves just how much our truly ancient ancestors understood. Its mind boggling.
  

Even though the information above is interesting, some may say damn interesting… there is so much more… so much more to be revealed…
If you decide to skip ahead and seek the rest of this riddle on your own… I have three words for you!!!… Enjoy The Ride…

–Charles Marcello


Part 3


In my opening post I had said I have spent years researching 2012 and what every culture has to say about it… even though I’m not fully convinced anything is going to happen, even though I must admit weird stuff is happening all over the world… what would a 2012 blog be without ancient/modern Paganist numerology.

As I said in my opening post knowing the story of who Moses is, or might have been, and then comparing Mayans/Aztec science/belief systems gave me great clues as to finding some hidden truth (?) within the bible and many other belief systems… and maybe these numbers proves extremely powerful people believe in these ancient teaching/possibly misunderstood numerology.

Trying to solve why the Catholic Church created a new calendar with so many esoteric/Paganist numerology hidden in plain sight for the year 2012, forced me to try to understand the why.

Dec 3, 2012 equals 3,12, 12, or 144 (when you divide each number by 3).
Dec 12, 2012 equals 12, 12,12 or 333 / 444 (when you divide each number by 4 or 3). .
While Dec 21, 2012 equals 21, 12, 12 or 744 (when you divide each number by 3).

So that’s 144, 333/444, and 744.

144+744 = 888
144+33 = 477, and 144+444= 588
333+744= 1077 and 444+744= 1188.
744+144+444= 1332.
While 744+144+333= 1221.

We are told by some researchers that the Mayans calendar is 5125 years long, mathematically I could not get that to make sense, because of how they venerated Venus’ 13 cycles every 8 years… let alone it did not seem to match other ancient cultural “numbers”… however if you take the year 5184 years from the 144,000/666 that is found all over the world the math begins to match up perfectly…

5184/8= 648

5184 equals 18, 5184/6864 equals 18… and 648 is exactly 18 short of 666, and 864 minus 666 equald 198 that also equals 18… While if you add 3 5184 = 5187/13 = 399 (does that mean from 2015 we only have one cycle left?)

Now comes the Jewish Calendar…(btw I strongly recommend everyone research what will happen in 2011 on Jewish holidays, by both the Moon/Sun… and then which mystic constellations will honor other Jewish holidays this year as well… and what ancient legends say about those kinds of mystical symbology… oh and don’t forget Revelations).. I will hint you towards eclipses and then June 8 and September 28 of 2011.) Now let’s look at those Jewish numbers

September 28/29 2011/12 equals the start of the Jewish New Year 5772, while 2017/2018 equals 5778.

5772/13= 444
5778 is exactly 222 short of 6000.
While 5772+4 = 5776/8 =722 and 5778/6 = 963 when added together equals 18.

(Mayans/Aztec 2012/15/18 & Jewish 2012/16/18 while the Catholic Calendar equals 2012/15/18.)

But this is just the beginning…

In my opening post I asked you to count 144,000 days after 9/11.

144,000/24 = 6000/360 = 16.666 or 6000/365 = 16.438 …
16.6 or 16.4 + 9/11/2001 equals ?/??/ 2018.
And don’t forget…144,000/360 = 400.



And now the Bible/Torah


Genesis Chapter 11
Chapter 11 Overview: Genesis Chapter 11 is a summary of history from the end of the flood to the time of Abraham. There are several significant events here. (1) The first attempt to create a one-world system is attempted by man and aborted by God at Babel. Also the actual cause of the dispersion of nationalities is found. (2) The continued lineage of the godly seed is noted in tracing the line of Christ to Abraham. (3) A few details of the life and heritage of Abraham are provided.
11:10 This is the history of the generations of Shem. Shem was one hundred years old, and became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood.
11:11 Shem lived after he became the father of Arpachshad five hundred years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:12 Arpachshad lived thirty-five years, and became the father of Shelah.
11:13 Arpachshad lived after he became the father of Shelah four hundred three years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:14 Shelah lived thirty years, and became the father of Eber:
11:15 and Shelah lived after he became the father of Eber four hundred three years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:16 Eber lived thirty-four years, and became the father of Peleg.
11:17 Eber lived after he became the father of Peleg four hundred thirty years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:18 Peleg lived thirty years, and became the father of Reu.
11:19 Peleg lived after he became the father of Reu two hundred nine years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:20 Reu lived thirty-two years, and became the father of Serug.
11:21 Reu lived after he became the father of Serug two hundred seven years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:22 Serug lived thirty years, and became the father of Nahor.
11:23 Serug lived after he became the father of Nahor two hundred years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:24 Nahor lived twenty-nine years, and became the father of Terah.
11:25 Nahor lived after he became the father of Terah one hundred nineteen years, and became the father of sons and daughters.
11:26 Terah lived seventy years, and became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
11:27 Now this is the history of the generations of Terah. Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Haran became the father of Lot.
11:28 Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldees.
11:29 Abram and Nahor took wives. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran who was also the father of Iscah.
11:30 Sarai was barren. She had no child.
11:31 Terah took Abram his son, Lot the son of Haran, his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife. They went forth from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan. They came to Haran, and lived there.
11:32 The days of Terah were two hundred five years. Terah died in Haran.

Numbers From Genesis Chapter 11

Names	Age First Son (AFS)	Years Lives AFS	Age at Death
Shem	100	500	600
Arphaxed	35	403	438
Salah	30	403	433
Eber	34	430	464
Peleg	30	209	239
Reu	32	207	239
Serug	30	200	230
Nahor	29	119	148
Terah	70	135	205
Sub Total	390	2606	2996
W/O Shem	290	2106	2396
W/O Terah	220	1971	2191
Subtract Duel/Triple Ages	300	1800	2518

Subtract Terah/Shem and Duel Date from total age [ 2996-600-205-239] and you get 1952

Add 666 to 390 and 290 and you will get respectively 1056 and 956
When you add those numbers together you get… 2012!

Why is any of this important? I don’t know, to be honest I struggle with the why, for the simple reason… I don’t believe in this nonsense… however, the reason we should all pay attention is millions/billions of people, to one degree or another, around the world do believe in numbers. I must admit my world view does not allow me to subscribe to numerology, or esoteric beliefs. I am working on opening up my mind to the possibilities. With that disclaimer out of the way.

Do those numbers explain why every single religion on our planet is expecting/awaiting their version of a Messiah to return here in the near future? And if we start paying attention to what our leaders in politics and businesses are doing… could it explain what these extremely powerful people are up to… or perhaps it will prove what they know for a fact is happening and/or coming? Even if you’re like me and you reject all those numbers as misunderstood science… I don’t think anyone can deny we live in incredibly exciting times. Yet most people have no idea why.

If you understand world prophecy… biblical, Mayans/Aztec, Egyptian/Vedic/Nordic/Native/Delphi/Shipton/Casey… the question becomes are their prophecies regional only? Or do they all combine to equal one moment in time? And/Or are the gods who have promised to return physical or spiritual and only the extremely powerful know the truth?

I honestly don’t know what the truth is, other then I believe its possible, possible, powerful people believe something is coming… but I sure as hell don’t believe in no physical gods. Yet I realize it ain’t important what I believe, its only important if we can discover do extremely powerful people believe something IS coming? BTW, I have my own possible theories yet I have zero intention of discussing what “they” think is/could be coming. The internet is alive with those threads/blogs, feel free to take this information with you or create a thread under the forums area.

My next post will discuss the extreme mathematical and scientific understanding the builders of those Pyramids did in fact pass forward, and how it could all tie into the numbers above and why our not so distant ancient ancestors got it all wrong… both spiritually and scientifically.

Part 4

Everyone knows we live within a three dimensional universe, and that time equals the fourth dimension. While at the same time just about everyone has heard of E=MC²…the thing is, the Pyramids of Giza has both of those truths intertwined within their legends and their physical makeup.
What is a four sided pyramid? The quick smart-aleck answer is, it’s a four sided pyramid. While the other answer equals, a four sided pyramid is one sixth of a cube, or a box, or a perhaps the misunderstood science called a cubit. If that is true… and it is mathematically true… then what are those pyramids trying to say? Well, Graham Hancock and Robert Duval were able to answer some of those questions… I believe in their quest to be unique they still wanted to be accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, so they only allowed their uniqueness to go so far. I on the other hand don’t care if someone calls me a liar, or if someone else is annoyed I used the bible to make point, or any other derogatory names people can invent. I didn’t start this journey worried about how others were going to receive the truth. All I demanded was the truth. All I continually search for is the truth.


–Charles Marcello