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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

    Post  Admin on Mon May 30, 2016 5:00 am

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    Sanicle wrote:Poor 'Rich' (the author of the comments that Paul posted above) really seems to be suffering.  No   Do you know when it was posted at Lightworkers Paul?  I'm wondering if it was around the same time that he contacted the Thubans, as Sui Generis mentioned in her posts.  And, I have to ask, are you 'Rich' by any chance Paul?
    Thanks for the reply sanicle. And thank you Carol for your words, but as sanicle said, I am not Rich. His site and blog are linked in my post.
    I do not post much, but read the forums. And this post by firefly seems to fit into this thread.


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    Warning :A Revelation
     firefly Yesterday at 11:58 pm

    Let me tell you a story as I feel this message is not just for a few but for many, please use discernment in understanding if this is True.


    On 11/1/2008 one of my adult daughters was sitting outside on a balmy evening and contemplating the problems of the World. She started writing her thoughts  down and whilst she was writing what the problems are and how she sees it a voice came into her mind and took over her thoughts, during this time the voice was speaking fairly quickly and she had a battle to try to write everything she heard. This is that revelation and you will see at what point the voice came in. At the time of this writing my daughter was extremely spiritual and her belief in God the father and his son were strong. Our family have never attended a church or learned of Godly things.  These I believe we are all born with. However, a couple of months after she received this message she had a complete turn around and rejected all that was written an no longer believes in God or his son, but has mentioned that she feels there is a force in the universe. She was a vegetarian and now not only eats meat but has her own live animals for consumptions. To me it seems like someone or something has messed with her mind. Though we are grateful for the message and it starts:-


    GOD IS THE CREATION NOT JUST THE CREATOR. THE CREATION OF EVERYTHING, WHAT MAKES THE EARTH AND POSSIBLY HUMANS IS THAT WE CAN CREATE. " WE CAN MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE " WE CAN REPRODUCE AND CREATE.

    PERHAPS THE EVIL FORCES CANNOT. PERHAPS THAT IS WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT "THE CREATION" MAN WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE WHAT EVER HE CHOOSES.  THEY (EVIL ENTITIES) HAVE TRIED IN THE PAST. THEY ARE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION WHERE IT IS HELL. THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND RULE BUT THEY WILL FAIL. THEY ARE TRYING THROUGH THEIR GENETIC ENGINEERING, TRYING TO CREAT THEMSELVES BY INTERGRATING WITH HUMANS. ONCE THEY CAN CLONE A HUMAN AND CREATE THE ANTI-CHRIST THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO TAKE CONTROL AND PLACE HIM (ANTI-CHRIST) ON THE TOP (LEADER) OF ALL OTHER HUMANS. BRAINWASHING THEM INTO BELIEVING THAT HE/THEY ARE THEIR CREATORS THEN TAKING CONTROL OF MANKIND.   GATHERING UP AND TORTURING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED.  THEY HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE BLACK POPULATION FOR THOUSANDS OF GENERATIONS BY KEEPING THEM POOR AND WILL NOT ABLE TO STOP THE CARNAGE OF THE INDIGINOUS POPULATIONS OF THE WORLD.

    THEY FOOL THE REST OF THE WORLD THROUGH MEDIA AND OTHER CONTROL DEVICES TO KEEP US FROM WHAT IS TRUELY OURS.  THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SCATTERED ACROSS THE WORLD FOR A REASON, THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF LIFE AND OUR CREATION (GOD'S CREATION) HAS BEEN KEPT FROM US SO THAT GOD COULD DETERMINE WHO IS STILL HIS AND WHO HAS BEEN CONTROLLED BY SATAN AND THE OTHER DARK FORCES, WANTING TO TAKE CONTROL OF THIS WORLD AND ITS ABILITIES. THEY ARE LOCKED AWAY UNDERGROUND AND SCATTERED IN THE SKIES, BUT WE CANNOT SEE THEM AS THEY DON'T OR CAN'T OR WON'T APPEAR BEFORE US.

    THE EVENTS OF THIS WORLD HAVE NOT TAKEN SHAPE BY ACCIDENT. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FORETOLD OF WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE FOR THEIR BELIEFS AND SOME WILL JUST ACCEPT THIS LIFE AND THEN BECOME PART OF THE BEAST'S PLANS TO CONTROL AND THEN CONSUME MANKIND INTO OBLIVION.   THEY HATE THIS WORLD BECAUSE OF Its ABILITY TO CREATE.  THE EARTH IS UNIQUE IN ITS ABILITY TO CREATE AND RECREATE.

    WE CAME FROM ADAM (THE SKY THE AIR THE LIGHT) EVE IS THE EARTH OUR MOTHER WHO HAS CREATED US OVER CENTURIES OF TIME.  OUR SOULS AND OUR FLESH CAME FROM OUR MOTHER AND FATHER WHO CREATED US. THE CREATION  IN WHICH GOD CREATED.

    IT WILL GET BAD FOR SO MANY SOME WILL BE SPARED LIKE SOME WERE SPARED DURING THE GREAT FLOOD. THIS NUMBER IS NOT MANY PERHAPS THE 144,000 DIRECT BLOODLINE DESCENDANTS THAT WERE AND HAVE REMAINED PURE WITH THE MOTHER AND THE FATHER.  THEY HAVE  NO WISH TO DESTROY LIFE AND THE CREATION, BUT HAVE BEEN BORN INTO THIS WORLD WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS NOT RIGHT AND THAT THERE IS MORE TO KNOW.  THROUGH SEEKING AND SEARCHING THE TRUTH IT MAY BE REVEALED BUT THE DEMONS CONFUSE AND CONTROL SO MANY WITH THEIR  RICHES DEBAUCHED LIFE ,THE POWER, THE CONTROL. THEY HAVE CONDITIONED MANKIND INTO BELIEVING AND WANTING THIS WORLD AND ITS RICHES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT MONEY/WEALTH CAN BUY.

    THEY HAVE POISONED THE FOOD THEY PROVIDE FOR US AND HAVE MANAGED TO GET MAN INTO A POSITION OF HARVESTING LIKE THEY HAVE WITH SHEEP/CATTLE AND OTHER MEAT.

    THE EATING OF MEAT OR SHOULD I SAY FLESH IS TO DESTROY THE CREATION. WE WERE MEANT TO LIVE IN HARMONY WITH THIS WORLD AND HAVE LONG PROSPOROUS LIVES, BUT(this is where the voice came in)" WE/YOU DESTROYED IT BECAUSE THE DEMONS HAVE BEEN MOULDING AND MANIPULATING YOU FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU HAVE BECOME A DISEASE ON THIS PLANET KILLING EVERYTHING IN YOUR PATH JUST AS THE DEMONS HAVE PLANNED FOR YOU TO DO.  YOU KILL LIFE THEY WILL TAKE YOU AND EVENTUALLY EVERYTHING WILL BE CONSUMED INTO NOTHING.

    YOU ARE THE CREATION AND YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT THE DEMONS ARE EVERYWHERE GRADUALLY TAKING CONTROL OF THIS LIFE THIS CREATION.


    I WILL DESTROY IT ONCE TIME HAS COME. NOT DESTROY THE WORLD BUT DESTROY THE DISEASE THAT HAS BECOME OF THIS CREATION, LIKE I CAN DESTROY MANY OF MY OTHER CREATIONS. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE SAVED BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM AND WHAT I AM NOT!   WHAT IS INSIDE OF YOU CAN TELL YOU IF YOU TRUELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CREATION IS AND HOW THE CREATION IS GOD.  THE POWER THE LIGHT THE LOVE THAT IS INSIDE OF YOU.  THE WAY YOU FEEL TOWARDS YOUR CHILDREN IS THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT MY CREATION.  IAM DISAPPOINTED WITH THE WAY IT HAS TURNED OUT BUT I WILL NOT COMPLETELY DESTROY IT. I WILL TAKE THOSE THAT I KNOW ARE PURE IN THEIR HEARTS/ THEIR BLOOD AND ARE NOT FOOLED BY THE COMING EVENTS OR HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THEM OCCURING.

    THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GENUINE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE SOME VERY WRONG THINGS IN ORDER TO GET THIS WORLD INTO SHAPE AND WHERE IT IS TO-DAY. BUT MANY PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN MUCH LIFE OR CONTRIBUTED IN CREATING AND ALLOWING THE PENETRATION OF THIS DISEASE INTO MANKIND SO THEY CANNOT SEE OR EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND AS TO WHAT GOD AND THE CREATION ARE AND THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME AND HOW UNIQUE YOU ARE ON THIS LANET. THIS GARDEN OF EDEN THAT ALLOWED YOU MY CREATION TO LIVE ENJOY AND BE CREATORS OF YOUR SELF THROUGH THE EARTH YOUR MOTHER AND WHO BORE YOU, AND I THE FATHER WHO IS YOUR SOUL YOUR LIGHT YOUR ENERGY THAT IS YOU.

    MAN IS UNIQUE BECAUSE I MADE HIM LIKE ME, NOT IN THE PHYSICAL SENSE BUT IN THE SENSE THAT I GAVE THEM THEIR POWER TO THINK, TO CREATE, TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER THEIR MINDS DESIRE. HOWEVER THESE DEMONS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTROL YOU, THESE DEMONS THAT I ONCE LOCKED AWAY ARE CREEPING BACK IN, FOOLING MAN INTO MANY BELIEFS TO ADVANCE THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND THEIR PLANS.  IF I DON'T STOP THEM THEY WILL CONSUME YOU THROUGH DECEIT AND LIES. THEY ARE THE  SINS, THE DEMONS ALL INSTRUCTED BY SATAN THEIR LEADER TO DEVOUR MY CREATION IN WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, I WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN, I WILL DESTROY HIM FOR GOOD AND ALL HIS OFFSPRING AND FOLLOWERS. NO ONE WILL ESCAPE ME.  

    THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE THAT HAVE DONE NO WRONG BUT REMAIN IGNORANT TO THE HAPPENINGS ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL THEY CONCENTRATE ON THEIR SPORTS THEIR MEDIAS THEIR OUTLETS, THEIR WAYS OF KEEPING THEM CONTROLLED.  MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS CREATION IN FRONT OF THEM IS NOT THE CREATOR (THE GOD)

    I WILL STOP THIS, SAVE, AS MANY THAT ARE WORTHY AND ARE NOT BLINDED BY THE BENEFITS THE NEW WORLD PROVIDES.

    JESUS WAS THE SON I CREATED TO SAVE YOUR SOULS FROM THE DEMONS. IT IS THROUGH HIM YOU CAN GAIN REDEMPTION FOR YOUR SINS AGAINST MY CREATION, THROUGH THE LIFE YOU HAVE HAD TO LEAD, THE CHOICES YOU MAKE AND LESSONS YOU LEARN ALONG THE WAY.

    I WILL LOOK AFTER THE CHILDREN THAT ARE STILL MINE AND BELIEVE IN ME".


    I trust there was not anything left out that the voice was messaging, as I mentioned above it was difficult for my daughter to keep up with the messenger.

    And now as I read this I keep thinking of planet Xena X or Nibiru as my gut feeling tells me something is definitely going on  with our planet and governments around the world, something is coming and  its on its way and the year 2017 keeps ringing in my mind Over the last year or two I kept waking to see my digital clock showing 333 which disturbed me so I searched  for a scripture and found John 3.33 which said "He that hath received his testimony has set to his seal that  God is true".

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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Oh my God, thank you SO much for posting that here Paul as I missed it on the thread firefly posted it on.  When quite a few posts are made quickly new posts can be knocked off the list that scrolls, which must have happened in this case.  (I hope if Mercuriel ever returns that we could go back to a longer, non-scrolling list so posts aren't missed so easily.)  But back to the subject.  This is the part that made my blood run cold the most:
    firefly wrote:However, a couple of months after she received this message she had a complete turn around and rejected all that was written an no longer believes in God or his son, but has mentioned that she feels there is a force in the universe. She was a vegetarian and now not only eats meat but has her own live animals for consumptions. To me it seems like someone or something has messed with her mind.

    From my own experience with this type of writing a message appearing to be from a 'high' source is often how it begins, to reel us in, but it can all degenerate from there.  I'll reply more to firefly on the thread she initially wrote it on so as not to distract too much from Xeia's thread here.

    Thanks again Paul yea

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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    "Look, a cupcake, have a taste. You like that, yes? Now, let me serve you some icing...dab slowly, feel the taste in your mouth...swallow."



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    I'd like to get back to the sex issue and bring another perspective to it. Years back my doc game me hormones in prep for a specific type of surgery. Hormones are amazing and IMPO responsible for the "primary" sex drive.

    While under the influence of the hormones I had actual visions of this enormous dragon rising up which an incredible thirst and drive. How does one control the dragon? I could write a book.

    Shortly after that experience with the dragon energy was an ET mind probe visitation.. followed with the black helicopters the next day. Fact not fiction.

    I viewed that initial "dragon" experience as a spiritual "test" (pass  cheers ) with many lessons to be learned at multiple levels.  Also, upon further reflection it was a revelation to understand from the experience of too much hormones and not enough hormones - how one's sex drive is regulated and the dragon (Kraken) awakened.

    Even sex is a different energetic experience for men and for women. It may also take on a multitude of energetic hues depending upon the circumstances and individuals involved. It can add spice or be devastating. And it can also release the dragon (passion). How the dynamics of the sexual element plays out between individuals are as varied as snowflakes.

    Next, the male brain is set up differently then the female brain. Scientific fact. Men tend to be more goal oriented (the hunter dynamic) where women are more inclusive (the mother dynamic). In addition, most people don't have a clue about their own spiritual, chemical, mental, physical dynamics, let along what is going on with the opposite sex. Yet each day there is more to learn and it's never ending. Always learning is one of the beauties of life.


    Next, I inadvertently got involved in a cult. Scientology. Inadvertently because the advertisement was a drug training program for counselors. This was in Berkeley, California back in the 70s. Each day for 3 months I participated in the training program and learned tons about the brain, the mind and how to harness it's power.. even how to OBE. And each day I witnessed the inconsistencies of those who were running the program and experienced a little bit more of the mind-control they exhibited in their training. It's insidious how it starts. Yet one thing became clear as they worked to isolate me from family and friends (this is everyone outside of Scientology) and focus on their recruitment program along with their "financial" goals and objectives. They even wanted me to quit my practice of yoga (my income), stay away from psychology in college (my major), move out from my husband and run their facility. This was just after 3 months. And of course, there was the underlying sexual tension created between members as well just by participating in the program. (Passed that test too  cheers  by sticking with my own inner sense of spiritual integrity.)

    In the end when they asked me to run their facility I said,

    "No thanks. A pile of shxt is a pile of shxt whether on the ground or served on a silver platter."


    You see, from my perspective when someone, anyone including a group asks people to give up their own inner sense of spiritual integrity (whether it comes to spiritual practice, sex, finances, or just being honest with oneself and others) it's time to run in the opposite direction. I was lucky. It just took 3 months to learn a lesson about cults that lasted for a lifetime. It made it easy to reject the dragon each time the dragon in it's different energetic forms (both physical and non-physical) popped up throughout the years afterwards. The best lesson learned was this:


    At the internal level we all have free will.
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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Spregovori wrote:
    There is no such thing as "equal terms" on the battlefield. There is just victory by cunning, brutality, superiority in numbers and means...or a defeat.

    Some make it, some don't, why save just some, cant save them all.

    I think it is not worth your time, not that it is a crime. Large majority simply does not care. They would not mind to get some of that dragon air.

    Who are you helping? That few, maybe just one, wretched soul. What will that change, if anything at all.

    Those who are offered the thuban "ways of things"...haven't they the free will to decide for themselves, such as yourself? Let them take one of those rings.


    Look, a cupcake, have a taste. You like that, yes? Now, let me serve you some icing...dab slowly, feel the taste in your mouth...swallow.


    Here a portal i open for you, now if you dare...go on...step through.


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    Post  SuiGeneris on Mon May 30, 2016 5:35 am

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    Spregovori wrote:There is no such thing as "equal terms" on the battlefield. There is just victory by cunning, brutality, superiority in numbers and means...or a defeat.
    There is for a type of people. There is for the warrior. Warriors uphold a different set of values than everybody else and live their lives accordingly. Words like honor and loyalty are not just words to them. But only warriors understand this. Like Bruce Lee for example. You speak of physical war...this is a spiritual war too, a mental war, a metaphysical war right now that has its consequences on the physical plane as we speak...the resolution of which is still yet to be seen. Your words indicate that you think fighting in a war is futile, your actions indicate that you want to be neutral and impartial including regarding thuban playing devil's advocate...Tony is proud of you i am sure. Just because you have found nothing in your life worth fighting for doesn't mean there is actually nothing in life worth fighting for. There is always Love. There is a battlefield yes. A very real live active one and it is not just on a physical region of the planet. So there are in fact many fronts and it is all very dynamic. What you see with your physical eyes is not the all. Cunning can turn into virtue when you are trying to defend yourself and your loved ones against an evil than ensues. Cunningness, artful deception, dexterity, craftiness, being able to adapt in performance and alike skills are characteristics that not only the bad people can have but also the good people can have and should have, if they want to be able to see beyond and overcome the enemy. being brutal is ugly, but there is a very clear distinction between fighting with rage and fighting with furor and courage. If you don't understand this difference try imagining a fight between the orcs and the elves in Lord of the Rings. Defeat...If you see yourself already defeated, you will see no point in fighting. You will never give yourself any real chance of winning; then how could you expect to help anyone else from this position. Perhaps this is why you think it is not worth my time. But this is only because you still remain stuck on the very purpose of this thread. Who in you is really resenting this so? It is nice to think of a utopia, of a world without war, but then what would the alternative be? if it is anything like in this film "The Giver" then i don't want it.


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    Oxy, the truth of the matter is that we don't need to focus on any nightmare, past or present. I find watching Bob Ross painting videos to be an excellent form of creative meditation where he illustrates how to paint his happy little clouds. This is a man who lived through the horrors of war and came out of it choosing to be creative and happy.. helping others to tap into their own creative connection to Source as well.

    The one thing about being human is we have a choice on what we focus on. Even in the midst of chaos those who focused on something positive.. their loving connection to family, friends and god faired the best.

    Coming from a Buddhist perspective it's all illusion. Set illusion aside and what's left. One learns how to become a detached observer, yet someone with compassion for even the smallest of creations. Focus on compassion and your world perspective alters dramatically. How to do that? Focus on your heart, the portal to compassion.
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    Bob Ross Rocks!! I learned about Bob from a VERY Talented Artist I know!! Notice Bob painting a cloud (below)!! I honestly think I'm morphing from "Crazy" Mode into "Positive-Reinforcing" Mode. Ignorance is Bliss!! Knowingness is SO Overrated!! Ironically, this website deals with a lot of Dark-Matter and Grey-Matter (and rightfully so IMHO). This internet-adventure has been an experiment for me. I've created a nasty-wound over the past eight-years -- and now I need to heal it. Luckily, I've been pretty tight-lipped about it -- and most of the posters know a lot more than I do -- so mostly "No Harm -- No Foul". Unfortunately, my local-community got warned and informed about me (by nefarious-forces) -- so I've lived in a "Fish-Bowl" for many years now. It seems to me that this sort of thing should be highly-illegal -- but what do I know?? Tough Times Never Last!! But Tough People Do!! Now I'm going to finish watching the 2011 movie Margin Call. It's really quite-fine. Then, I'll probably watch some old shows and movies featuring Raquel Welch or Barbara Eden. They are exquisite and heavenly!! Accentuate the Positive!!





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    Sanicle wrote:I was taught long ago that the mere act of closing a door for privacy on this level has the effect of presenting a barrier to those on the subtle levels as well, as our WILL to have that privacy for ourselves makes it so there.  This has been proven to me to be truth.  (Actually, just this past weekend, I was visited by something nasty.  I appear to have developed clairolfactance over past months and the powerful stench of this being was that of rotten meat. I didn't notice it until I went to the bathroom and shut the door and that's when the stench came to me, accompanied by strong rattling of said door.  It had to give up in the end as I had no fear of it so no link/hook was able to be made with me.)  As is said so often, what you believe, but moreso what you KNOW to be true, is your defence against all from those realms.  They can only do to you what you believe they can and/or allow them to.
    SuiGeneris wrote:What caused the rattling of the door, and why does this seem to happen to some people and not others? What do you think is the determining factor for these 'visitations'?

    Xeia
    That is rather a large question to answer Xeia as there could be various answers dependent on the situation and the beings involved IMO.

    As regards the door rattling it was the same you’d hear when a really strong gust of wind hits against an outside door or window.  This was an inside door however and I can only assume that there was a strong influx of energy forced up against the door in an attempt to get through it.  I know astral beings (including humans having an out of body experience) can manipulate energy thus through an effort of will backed by strong emotions, having experienced it before in different ways.  I’ll give you a couple of examples.

    Many long years ago a very irate ‘friend’ was unhappy with the lack of attention he was receiving while I was quietly doing some research on the computer, so he gave me a blow to the solar plexus which resulted in me feeling instantly sick and dizzy.  I had to lie down on the cold floor in the bathroom for around half an hour before the sickness passed.  This happened more than once.  Another time, this same possessive and angry soul also took his temper out on a male friend of mine whom I was quite taken with.  While this man was driving in the country, the jealous one caused his car to veer off the road into a tree.  And yes, that dear friend died in the accident.  Obviously that still upsets me………a lot.

    So I would say that it most probably depends on who is hanging around you in each case and how intense their temper is, if they have the knowledge of directing their will in this way, and if they seek to cause harm and/or fear in this realm for purposes of their own.  Most will wait to deal with you in the astral when you sleep which is a much fairer way of battling you, as there you have the same power of will to use to protect yourself against them IF you know how to use it.  Or maybe some are just too impatient to wait for you to go to sleep.  

    I think it’s also fair to say that many may have been attacked like this from the astral but may not have recognized it consciously as being that or, more likely, would refuse to acknowledge that such a thing is possible and chosen to ‘forget’ it.


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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    I've thought about this further Xeia (plus slept on it where I get further input  wink  ) and I'm now wondering if it might depend also on the type of entity making the attack, whether it be human or of some other origin.

    You see the being that caused me to be ill with the 'punch' and effected my friend who was driving was an astral traveling human with a bad, bad temper.  I'm of the impression that, as I've indicated elsewhere, humans have more power behind their will because they have the element of emotions to add to their will and it's one other humans would relate to energetically, making it easier to 'slip in' to our aura, if you will.  We often hear that the 'deceased' can effect electrical items, move things, etc with their will.  There's also evidence that when a human is possessed that the entity within can move things in our reality, so I'm supposing it would be using the human's energy field to do this.  These are the types of events that I've read and heard of, or experienced personally, in which some form of energetic contact and effect in this realm has been made.  Essentially human to human, ie via those who have a natural, or innate, capacity to participate and wield energy here.

    From my own experience, those whose natural 'home' is the astral can't truly effect us here in a physical way.  For instance, I've been attacked by giant spiders while awake and felt nothing.  The qualifier to that statement is that those who belong to the astral realms can't unless we ourselves are open to and have some link into the energies of the astral realm ie a doorway through which they can make their presence known to us (through the psychic senses) and thus effect us mentally and emotionally.  It may be that they cannot actually effect us physically unless our own mental/emotional being registers the threat as such and 'allows' our body to register the effects through our own belief that they can do so.  In essence, WE manifest the physical elements ourselves through our belief........energy following thought.  All the entity needs to do is to influence our mind in such a case.  Further to this, I'd like to add that I didn't actually see the bathroom door shaking (not that I was looking for it), but as I can hear them audibly (eg speaking) it could be that I 'heard' the rattling clairaudiently.  

    Have I explained all of that in a way that makes sense to you?  I'm no expert and can only interpret things in accordance with my own experiences with said beings, so I'm not claiming to know the full 'truth' of things here.  

    Oh and one further thing I just thought of.  This planet, including it's subtler bodies (eg astral, etheric, etc) is the natural territory of those who incarnate here and thus are given the spiritual right and ability to manipulate its energies via our bodies, physical and subtle.  It stands to reason to me that the inhabitants of this world would, therefore, innately have more power to wield energies here, physically and subtly, than any visitors to our realm of being.  Maybe there's a clue to there as to why the 'aliens' are working so bloody hard to create their hybrids. And, even more insidiously, why mind control is their major weapon against us.


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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    B.B.Baghor on Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:55 pm


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    What a beatiful thread this is, offering much understanding and inspiration to me. Today I was curious about what happened in here. Voila  

    My words: "If I'm right, I tend to see the step that Sui Generis takes, the liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult, as chosen in a similar stance or calibre".

    Part of Sui Generis' reply to this:
    "Therefore, my liberation from the Thuban Sex cult did not come as a result of me refusing Thuban. I did not turn my back on it for a second. I still don't and i never will. I withdrew my presence from Thuban facing Tony and stepping backwards. I face him even still"

    Reading your reply, I found myself remembering what I've shared here about my willingness to read and see my own story, when in a conflict with others or with a situation. In other words, to see what's in it for me that shows the truth of who I am, present in any circumstance that I'm part of or that I witness around me, which easily becomes the same thing   smileopen

    Thank you for refining your explanation of how you chose your attitude, Sui Generis. That's an inspiration to me and if I may refer to your "bit of context" where you talk about refusing, what it did to you and offered you as information, as truth about yourself,  I can see, by your explaining of your liberation from the Thuban Sex cult, that it doesn't work: running-or-walking away from what's being refused or rejected.

    I can see clearly that the emotional content in that gesture, that action, is exactly the burden on our back, running with us. Or also, according to a law of nature, where attention goes, energy flows.

    Just like in that story of the 2 monks, arriving at the shore of a lively stream, finding a woman present, trying to find a way to cross the water in safety. One of the monks suggests to her, to carry her on his back and she accepts. Once they've safely arrived on the other side, the woman chooses her own path and the 2 monks continue to walk their own path. After a while, the monk who carried the woman, exclaims "We monks aren't supposed to touch a woman and I did!" To this his companion answers "You're still carrying her and I've forgotten about her already when we came to the other shore, where she disappeared in another direction"

    I'm fond of that story, for its mix of humor and wisdom teaching, how our mind is hooked as soon as its triggered by guilt for having disobeyed a rule that isn't created and chosen by ourselves, a fear of punishment that brings instant punishment on the beholder. That's maybe similar to what Ortho chooses to call it, as he does in post 76 here.


    B.B.Baghor wrote:
    "Fill up any empty space in your energy-system that you find present. Drink water and eat something as a treat".

    Sui Generis' reply to this:
    "The empty space inside is an illusion, in the sense that no one should ever go and seek...to fill. From the soul's perspective the hurt is real, the disappointments, the feelings are real and when you perceive you lose something or when you think you lack you go and seek to fill. But in truth there is nothing to fill. When you look at yourself from the Spirit's perspective you know you are already whole".

    Yes, I agree with you, Sui Generis, that you and I with everybody are already whole. I think I forgot a detail in the instruction of filling up any empty space. I should have said "Fill yourself up with your own  sunny2  energy, wherever you find or sense an empty space" That's a significant difference and as far as I've experienced it, it works well for me to do that. Not as in "this instruction is a guarantee for success" for I believe that in this sort of working, there are as much curriculums as there are human beings, when using their skills of creatorship.

    To offer you a bit of context too, in the early '80's I was introduced to a school, a training for intuitive development and I believed these instructions to be dictated rules that I had to obey, in order to make them work for me. Being a minister's daughter, having grown up in a small world with people who mostly shared more of the same view with me, I held quite a black-and-white view on life, how I dealt with it and with others in it. I believed that all the teachers were seeers who could see everything and therefore know all truth in everybody.

    So, in a way, I declared them Gods and Goddesses, now that I think of it. Wasn't I thrown in the cauldron of that religious potion, so that I belonged and should know that I was loved by God? What more do you need, hmm? If you look at life with an intention to "gather together in front of God's throne and sing and dance in white robes, for eternity? That's an image I held inside of me as a young girl. Another part of me was wiser and rebellious, shrugging shoulders, showing off in bravery, jumping in the ditch on Summer Sundays after the sermon of my father, with other kids. Our black lackered shoes and clean white socks on the shore, at times nearly left behind.

    It took me 30 years and a prophecy to myself, a surprise gift to myself on my 59th birthday, Jan. 1 2010: "From now on I will come out of the closet with all of my faces and all of my masks" voiced with my own voice out of the deepest blue. The prophecy became an action, I experienced a big rumbling inner earthquake that year. In despair for identifying myself with an illusion, which became for one and a half year, the tree root to which I clung onto, on the edge of a cliff. This was purgatory too and to me the essence of the 9 of swords Tarot card.

    And so it happened that I could let that black-and-white view and attitude melt, for some time all was fluid, as the fluid phase of the chrysalis, at some point ready to come out of its butterfly cocoon, drying its wings and spreading them for a first flight. To me this was a rebirth with a new vitality, spontaneity and wonder, in more of me, myself and I. I danced a lot at home, my body lost 15 kg in 6 months time. All of it was as much welcome as it was scary! Oh boy, oh girl, how I learned that being truly powerful and strong includes all flavors of the emotional rainbow as well! And that vulnaribility was a great companion to it! Plus the mundanities of life and the exquisities of life, courseness and refinement both.

    The garbage of planet Earth as the compost for the flower to feed on and florish. I guess this post describes in several ways how qualities of transformation and transmutation manifest themselves in the real world... out there. Most of it happened without me noticing it, until I began creeping out of my cocoon  smile3


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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    I'm sorry for some of the insensitive posts I've made on this thread. I guess I hoped they would be therapeutic for myself and others -- but neither seems to be the case. But seriously, I think that Psychology, Ethics, Law, and Money should be near the center of most serious philosophical and spiritual discussions (including the topic of this thread). "What's Wrong With It??" "What's Right With It??" I keep wondering if there is an alternative to Thuban Thinking and Speaking which simply focuses upon Science and Science-Fiction??!! The Dragonian Mumbo-Jumbo seems to be a nearly insurmountable obstacle for most of us. I've tried to provide a Kinder and Gentler More-User-Friendly alternative to Thuban with my strange threads -- but they obviously haven't caught-on!! Now I've given-up -- and I'm moving-on -- for better or worse, I know not. You won't have orthodoxymoron to kick around anymore!! What Would Richard Nixon Say?? One last thing. A serious and mature discussion of Sexual-Ethics might be beneficial. I shy away from such discussions, simply because I'm probably one of the most repressed specimens on the planet. Anyway, I'm out of here. Good-Bye.


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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Good grief!!  I've just read over some of the posts I've made here and it sounds as though I've had nothing but negative experiences with some of the 'more difficult' beings to be found in the other dimensions when nothing could be further from the truth haha.  If anyone's wondering, let me assure you that I've had many experiences with rather wonderful beings there also and feel truly blessed. smile3  For instance, as regards the recent development of clairofaction (or clairalience), that 'angel' I spoke of recently smells absolutely heavenly.  (Forgive the pun but he does.)  I suspect that he and his gifted me with this ability actually as he was the first I experienced it with when I met him.

    The reason I mentioned experiences with the 'darker' ones was so that Xeia knows that I'm not entirely ignorant as regards these types of situations and can relate in part.  

    So to be clear, apart from the recent 'meeting' with that putrid smelling being a few weeks back, it's been an exhilarating and beneficial journey for years now, and I'm healthy, happy and sane.  Which is the whole point of relating these older experiences in that there's no need to fear them.  Rather they were very educational, balancing and strengthening.  As the 'angel' said to me just a few nights ago (which was lovely to hear) the reason I have strong beings around me now is because I am strong, and I know going through those older nasty experiences are a good part of why that is so.  (And the 'angel' knows all about all of them.) Until you've been tested, you never really know what you are capable of enduring and rising above. (The dark night of the soul?)

    That reminds me, back in 1988 when I was doing all of that (what I call) impressed writing (like firefly's daughter) I was told that my journey was going to include what they called being 'alieved'........in their words: "a time of Light is come to lift and a time of Love is come to weigh" in order to help that person.  That was before I began that journey with the angry, young astral traveller who "accidentally" (he says) killed my friend.

    So I hope this explanation puts things into better perspective if that indeed was needed.
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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Goodness Oxy. I've never considered any of your posts negative except for when you get down on yourself. We you.



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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Carol, what is implied with the little "Bull"?? Am I full of BS?? A-1 called me "Ram". Is it Bull v Ram?? OR Bull = Ram?? What Would Azazel Say?? Damned if I know. Probably Damned if I don't know. Damn. Somewhat unrelatedly, I keep wondering about Taurus and Mithras Precursors. I keep thinking about what Brook (of Egypt?) said about Isis being thrown into a snake-pit for refusing to cooperate with the reptilians in the enslavement of humanity. Dr. Richard Carrier describes a goddess (I can't remember which one) who was executed, and THEN placed on a cross (presumably long before Taurus, Mithras, and Jesus). I need to do some research, and get my facts straight BUT I keep thinking about the "Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World" in the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Was this the original Solar System CEO?? Were they replaced by a MUCH Tougher Solar System CEO (who has ruled since the Garden of Eden)?? Acts through Revelation says suspiciously little about the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ. Why?? I love Idealistic Messianic Conceptualizations BUT The Greatest Story Ever Told seems to be Fatally-Flawed. What Would Albert Schweitzer Say?? What Would Rudolph Bultmann Do?? As you well know, I have suggested studying Job through Malachi side-by-side with Romans through Jude (in the KJV and/or NKJV) as a possible modality for approximating the Character of the Real-Christ (who might've lurked in the shadows -- rather than being featured in scripture). What if Isis created the Bible as a Puzzle and Punishment for a Rebellious and Recalcitrant Earth-Humanity?? Genesis = Genes of Isis?? Teachings of Jesus = Teachings of Isis?? What if we are fundamentally dealing with Two Rival Goddesses in the Garden of Eden?? OR What if we are dealing with Two Closely-Related Goddesses who FAKED a War in Heaven and Earth -- so as to create an APPARENT Power-Vacuum specifically intended to Cleanse the Sanctuary of That Which Defiles -- such that Sin and Sinners will be no more -- and that a Rebellion Against God Will NEVER Happen Again??

    Do you see why I'm miserable and paranoid?? Do you see why I want to STOP??!! I keep wondering if the Editorial-Voice in the Post 1890 Writings of Ellen White is somehow the Voice of Isis -- rather than the voice of a 3rd grade educated hyper-religious and somewhat-fanatical strong-woman?? What Would Delenn and Vala say?? What Would Serqet Say?? What Would Amen Ra Say?? I honestly don't want to think or talk about this stuff anymore. I'd rather just drive around in a Porsche 911 Turbo with Jeannie in the Polka-Dot Bikini!! It might be easier that way!! What Would Sherry Shriner Say?? BTW -- Where the Hell is Carrollton, Ohio?? What Would Brother Rich Say?? What Would Anubis Do?? What Would Anchor Do?? What Would the Humble Janitor Do?? What Would Archangel Gabriel Do?? What Would Edgar Mitchell Do?? What Would Carol Rosin Do?? What Would Mr. Edgars Do?? What Would Mitchell Do?? What Would the Ancient Egyptian Deity Do?? The AED mentioned a "Woman Hidden in a Male-Body"!! What Would Alanis Morissette Say?? What Would Alan Rickman Say?? What Would David Bowman Say?? What Would David Mann Say?? What Would Steven Spielberg Say?? What Would Paul Say?? What Would KRLLL Say?? What Would George Zebrowski Say?? What Would the Gnome aka Heathen God aka Human (G)nome Project Say?? I should STOP!! This stuff Scares the Hell Out of Me!! Sorry for all of the videos. Hopefully this will be the last time. One last time: I have NO Idea What's REALLY Going-On -- and I'm not sure I want to know. I continue to beat around the Burning-Bush -- rather than waging a Trench Information-War. I've honestly been playing a stupid little game on this website, which is anything but scholarly. I doubt that I could handle the truth. Ignorance is probably Bliss and a Virtue for Completely Ignorant Fools. Good-Bye Again!!




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    Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

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    Sanicle wrote:... As the 'angel' said to me just a few nights ago (which was lovely to hear) the reason I have strong beings around me now is because I am strong, and I know going through those older nasty experiences are a good part of why that is so.  (And the 'angel' knows all about all of them.)  Until you've been tested, you never really know what you are capable of enduring and rising above. (The dark night of the soul?)

    That reminds me, back in 1988 when I was doing all of that (what I call) impressed writing (like firefly's daughter) I was told that my journey was going to include what they called being 'alieved'........in their words: "a time of Light is come to lift and a time of Love is come to weigh" in order to help that person.  That was before I began that journey with the angry, young astral traveller who "accidentally" (he says) killed my friend.

    So I hope this explanation puts things into better perspective if that indeed was needed.

    That's so good to hear you, Sanicle, that you had and still have enjoyable contacts and experiences, with support present for you in company of the testing events and beings that are part of it. I'm going to post my experience and view out in the open, reminded by Sui Generis' suggestion, in her response to my first post in this thread (if I'm right) to post in the open space of the Forum for the benefit of a broader discussion, in other words, shedding light on it from different angles, so that clarity is gained for those who wish for it.

    I've read your post through and with former posts of you here, it puts things into better perspective for me, a better understanding of your life-journey, at least that's how I feel now. Not having followed you in your Elementals-thread from the start I feel there are gaps in my understanding of it and therefore, of who you are in it, in the sort of experiences you describe, which makes it easier for me now to connect some dots or commas.

    The parts of your post in the quote above made me think of the role and value of what it means to be in resonance. For the sake of progress in one's life, or obstacles. I think I need to give an example of what I mean by that. First: "the role": imagine me holding an emotional charge inside that attracts a similar charged person or event. Just like when you pluck a guitar string and the same string on a second guitar vibrates "in resonance" with it.

    Translating that same process to an experience with a person that makes me react in shock, going into survival, I'm not able to see the story triggered, resonating within me. Not immediately. I'm human enough to know that I went, according psychological laws, through emotional phases that are known to most of us, I presume: initial shock, denial, anger, sadness, etc. the whole rainbow of emotions to work through. Or in other words "The truth will set you free, but first it pisses you off".

    When there's a growing acceptance of that rainbow, an admitting of having invited the experience in my life due to resonance, or.... like attracts like, then and there enters "the value": it triggers and brings the emotional charge in awareness, so that its witnessed, felt and possibly released of its charge and healed. I'm describing experiences I've gone through that turned out that way, see? It's not a prescription like "one size fits all", for we all row our own boat on the ocean of our existence. A wave in my ocean may seem a drop to others and this is true in reverse as well. I know I've felt like drowning at times, which only felt that way but wasn't at all.

    I offer my thoughts and views, wondering how your thoughts and views are on this aspect of resonance, Sanicle. For it seems to me, that you and I are on a life-journey, with a few wayshowers and signs that look similar. To me, the middle of the road I chose, proved to be a truth about myself, showing me that by bypassing my core issues, working on the issues of others to make them and the world feel okay with me, I was creating many windings and windmills of my mind, even entering the world of illusions to try to make my world go round smoothly.

    It was until I began to find the affinity within my heart for myself, in honest tears and laughter, that I found the portal that gave entrance to that landscape, which I describe and choose as a metaphor for autonomy. A landscape without a fixed horizon. By that I mean that my learning never
    ends and by knowing that, there's always a new choice in every next moment. That reminds me of the fluidity, mentioned in the blog by female warrior.


    yea Thank you for your thoughtfulness and sharing in honesty.
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    Goodness, to my way of thinking you are asking a loaded question re the possible energetic reasons behind the type of relationships we both endured on our journey that has no short answer BB, although I guess you could say it has on a more mundane level so I’ll start with that aspect first.

    As regards ‘resonance’ I would say that probably exists between you and I as regards us both having a traumatic relationship that called up our core issues to resolve and ‘set us free’ from the pain.  So ‘Like attracts Like’ probably applies there.  But there’s also the ‘Opposites attract’ law and I think that is more applicable in the relationship I had.  (I don’t know about yours.)  You see I learned over time that he ‘suffers’ from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (confirmed by others) and my self-esteem was very low when we met, making me the perfect patsy for him to manipulate.  At an astral level, because of the relationship, it also made me a great feeding ground for him and his darker associates, which he admitted having eventually, his excuse being that he wanted to learn ‘their tricks’ so they couldn’t trap him in them.  I could go on about the delusions in his mind, and/or that he fed me, about that but it would make this post far too long.

    Next I’ll go on and say that I also learned of ‘karmic’ bonds between us, going back many thousands of years.  The ‘first’ life together on this planet explains all the others that followed, the core issue between us not really changing over the years.  That involved the choice between holding on to our spiritual connections or learning about, by indulging in, the animal lusts of the bodies we found ourselves in, the latter being his choice then and since.  I felt guilt (which is what I believe really leads to what is called ‘karma’ in the western world) after the first time around because I’d continued my spiritual studies (being the leader of the temple) while hoping that he would return to the fold of his own accord ie I didn’t go out of my way to ‘help’ him overcome his ‘curiosity’ and felt responsible for the connections he lost as a result of his forays.

    At a broader level, to my mind anyway, that original issue between us correlates in many ways to what I’ve come to see as being a major issue on this planet, especially for truth seekers and as regards the male/female dynamic, and that’s where there is no short answer.  Rather I will list a few things, general and specific, for your consideration.  Where to start?

    At a general level, why is there so much snake/reptilian symbology tied up with the more challenging aspects of the journey of a seeker of truth and mythology on this planet eg the kundalini’s fiery awakening, the ourobouros, dragons, sea serpents, the serpents invariably seen by those who take Ayahuasca, the reptilians ETs and those who supposedly live underground on our planet (ie above and below)?

    Why is it that when we dream about being chased by snakes we are said to have a fear of sex?

    Why do men talk about their ‘trouser snake’ and use it to delight or torment women and, on that note, why is the F word in such common usage when its energetic signature is to dominate and take from women?

    Why is it that the passion/lust derived from the lower chakras can lead to life (via sex) or death (via jealousy, rape, the lust to kill, etc)?

    Why is it that this planet is sandwiched between the energy flows of Venus and Mars?

    Why did the old male god Yahweh only punish Eve for taking the apple rather than punish Adam for listening to her and partaking of the apple as well?  Why was it Eve was told it would give her knowledge of ‘good and evil’ and why was it a ‘serpent’ that gave it to her?  And what about Lilith?

    Why that ‘dark’ energy is said to signify the negative and all that is evil, but also the feminine and receptivity?

    Why is it in ‘modern’ religions men are told to persecute women because of their sexuality, blaming the woman for the desires of the man?

    Why is it that we speak of this planet as ‘Mother’ Earth and speak of her being ‘raped’ by the male-run industries of today?

    How could these reptilian ETs (and others) ‘feed’ on sexual energies if there were no women, especially women who’ve been conditioned to fear the strength of dominating males?  But how would life exist on this planet without us?

    I could go on but suffice it to say that I see the reasons for going through these relationships as we did as having a lot more significance on our journeys towards truth.  And I listed them on this thread as I think they pertain to what Xeia has had to say about what underlies the teachings of Thubanism as well.

    I think people generally tend to avoid the significance of the reptilian energy existent everywhere in our realities, mundane and spiritual, and they really shouldn’t as it is key.  As is said, all the answers are there to be seen in the world around us.  And I haven’t even gone into the roles the females of each species play in Nature re what the true balance might be.

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