I am here to announce that I am no longer a 'Thuban'.
Oh yes it feels so good saying that now. Six years ago I made the decision to help build a group to see what this new cryptic sounding Thuban sensation was all about, and I did, I jumped right in; and just like everything I do in life, I went all the way in and put all my passion into it. And this is something that I had decided to do since day one. When I became hypnotized by the dragon archetype. I knew it had risks, but I wanted to go down that rabbit hole anyway to see what was at the bottom. I thought I was putting my energy into building a new online community where I could not only help myself on my spiritual development, but also help others as well and well...years passed and...let me just tell you that I came so close to becoming so completely overtaken by the experience that right now even remembering certain things gives me chills...
I opened this thread sort of like a New Year's gift from me to the world, not with the intention to further aimless 'drama', but rather to SEE once and for all how drama is used as a tool to further confusion and much needed distraction by invisible entities so that our souls would continue to remain spellbinded and disoriented. I am here to tell you all that I have a story to tell, the problem is that it is so huge that I don't know where to start; and my life is so busy right now that I just can't write a book about it. I began writing a small post 3 days ago, because that is the day that I had my final confrontation with the Thuban papadragon cult leader Tony bermanseder, and I just couldn't stop writing. I wrote and wrote and the next thing I knew I had written 4 pages! Wow..just thinking back, really, what happened to me is just so much, and most importantly, what I realized over the years is so big and so complex that it just doesn't fit into a single post. Nevertheless I do feel that due to what has transpired recently and because of comments made by members about "the Thubans" (plural), I feel under a moral obligation to clarify things in efforts to bring Light to what has been deliberately hidden and obscured for far too long.
The current decadence and violence of Thuban mirrors exactly the same thing that is happening in and to the world on a much bigger scale; and understanding its trajectory will help you understand an important piece of the puzzle concerning reptilians and the forces that keep mankind enslaved. Perhaps I could do it in stages...and post a little bit at a time according to questions, if questions arise? I don't know. let's see how it goes...but in the meantime I will make some simple points about these two comments:
TRANCOSO wrote:Are Shiloh and Raven the same persons who've been around here for such a long time?
If so: shame on you!
mudra wrote:We have lived peacefully with the dragons for several years when we kindly offered them a new home here in the Mists. And I believe most of us showed much patience and tolerance with them although we weren't able to always understand the language they used.
How things can change in the blink of an eye and balance lost to a point of no return.
I don't think it was fair to have spammed the Mists with so many posts on multiple threads.
A desperate measure for sure from someone who lost their poise.
I would have expected from Shiloh a better and more sensible choice no matter how right he must have felt for doing so.
Lets remember banning in the Mists is the very last measure taken when everything else failed.
1. Carol made the right decision about the bans. Tony made a fool out of all of you when he came to this forum impersonating a woman first as Olivia Brandis and then lately as Shenan. What none of you know is that they never really respected this forum or the members at all. They always insulted and ridiculed each and every active poster at any given time and then they would come here and pretend to be civil just to make use of the spotlight or better said, the traffic and exposure they wanted for their 'material' in order to reach more people and gain more followers.
2. Mudra brought up the issue of not many being able to understand the language they used. This point is VERY important, as the use and manipulation of WORDS by "Dragons" is at the core of the modus operandi Tony follows from the other dimensions.
3. Things did not change in the blink of an eye. "Thuban" as a group has been gradually dying...especially in the last two years; about the same time when I decided to keep my distance along with a friend of mine and mostly just observe. Still throughout all this time, every time I would read their Skype chats I would find mocking, ridiculization of the members of this forum.
4. The spamming that happened on multiple threads was Tony's idea backed up by Raven, just as everything in Thuban has been operating for years now. I was always against it and whenever i raised my voice in opposition I would be ignored and ridiculed for not being 'in tuned' with their new 'Logos dispensation'.
5.The apparent 'desperate measure' was not just because he 'lost his poise'. It had more to do with the timing of his precious timeline for the 'last days', and as such, it was well prepared in advanced and calculated...iow, it was all premeditated.
Tony alienated me for years in hopes to get rid of me just as he had getting rid of Ashera. Of course, people who think for themselves are not allowed. I was only able to sustain all the years of mental abuse because I never lost my individuality and always held on to what my own Spirit tells me. I was never a follower, as I told him so at the end:
[12/28/2015 3:14:51 AM] Tony: Because Tony and Raven 'LOVE" and fully accept this Logos THROUGH its recorded WORDS and nothing else, except to be retranslated commentary, say historical contexts, timelines and science; a REAL THUBAN is a a FOLLOWER and FAMILY of THAT Logos and that Logos alone.
[12/28/2015 3:30:05 AM] Xeia: you want to turn Thuban into a cult
[12/28/2015 3:30:19 AM] Xeia: and it was never supposed to be one
[12/28/2015 3:30:46 AM] Xeia: you never told us that we needed to agree with you in order to qualify as a Thuban
[12/28/2015 3:31:11 AM] Xeia: now you have turned into a whole different person
[12/28/2015 2:36:09 AM] Tony: And indeed we shall and the reason for this isolation and split from you are the WORDS of the Logos, which bith you and Rok despise or not take seriously. And this in a matter of fact becomes decisive and why i questionmed your Thubanness It is, again, NOTHING personal live and let live follow your own logos to your heart desire. But whatever YOUR logos then might be and entail i is NOT the same as the Logos of Thuban.
[12/28/2015 3:31:53 AM] Xeia: This is the heart of the matter right here
Tony said "Anyone not in agreement with the Logos as per the scriptures, cannot be trusted!" The heart of the matter is that Thuban was never supposed to be a one man show. Thuban as an idea, was sold to us in a very different way. You really would've had to be there and experience it first hand in order to understand the scope of how things were. I would have to start at the beginning.
Why go to the past and not look at the present instead? Because if you do not look back into your true origins, you will not be able to understand where you came from, how you came to be, and ultimately who you truly are. Likewise, if you do not understand the beginning of Thuban, you will never be able to understand how it came about and why, much less how it has transformed itself into what it is now. Not to mention that I always liked to turn my attention exactly where everyone else says not to look...to the origin of things.
Remember Abraxasinas? Perfect timing, perfect place...and it worked; it attracted many really fast. And how could it not? It had all the perfect components: science and religion mixed together, popular New Age terms and concepts plus the never failing awe-inspiring mathematical equation. The “dark side” or shadow, mirrors, tests of “Fire” to see if you were strong enough to actually be a Thuban; but the cherry on top was of course...you guessed it...the SEX. We were to "fall in love with each other" in a glorious polyamorous HAREM of androgynous HeShe’s and SheHe’s, we were to find our "Core" (twin flame), we were to "xxxx our way into the New World"...quite literally. Tony met Mary (TruthWillSetYouFree), and for a while they were the ‘exemplary couple’ who was going to show us how the new ‘starhuman relationships’ are to be. No jealousy, and Mary ‘sharing’ Tony with the rest of us girl “DragonQueens”. Whilst immersed in all this exotic language with highly sexual undertones, we were treated with respect however, and Tony had a very light and nonjudgmental attitude towards everyone all the time. He would call us "beloveds", and very carefully chose to use words like ‘brotherhood’ and ‘sisterhood’, ‘Dragon's den’, ‘Star family’, etc, etc, to lure us in. Main values to uphold were loyalty, honor, honesty, courage, camaraderie, compassion, and so on. We not only felt like the ‘knights of the round table’, we were told we were them in a way. And like them, we all had ‘equal rights of opinion’, were to “battle” for the values lost and begin not only to understand “The Logos”; but most importantly live our lives according to the dispensations befell upon us by “it”, in order to be able to act as “bridges” and anchor the 'energies' unseen, to this physical plane, as to help quicken the coming of the ever closer and much desired ‘New World.’
So when he was banned from Avalon at the start of 2010, a good bunch of us on that thread were eager to keep communications with him and very happy to continue with this very new 'Thuban' enterprise on our very own virtual space because we thought we were somehow ‘doing our part’ bringing in that utopia everyone dreamed of. Some were way more intrigued than others by then, but we were all curious as to what this ‘proposal’ would entail. You have to understand the warm cozy feeling you get when suddenly you find people who apparently ‘think like you’ (I will get to this later) and welcome you into a new virtual “home”. Most people will feel relieved and happy to finally have found some apparent solace from the busy hustle and bustle of everyday concerns, in a place where you can exchange freely certain feelings that some may not feel comfortable sharing with family members for fear of becoming alienated or worse. It is virtual, it feels particularly “safe” for you to engage your thoughts and emotions in a gradual manner, until little by little members begin to open up to one another and more and more you begin to build something called trust. Now all of these feelings and emotions are of course natural and innocent and your unsuspecting Self wouldn’t think they could ever turn into something negative, but they can and they do; when they are being monitored, encouraged and guided by a greater force behind the scenes that you cannot see, or for some others…can’t even fathom exist.
Soon the ‘sexy chat orgies’ began, and by this point the few who remained after that were already hooked. I guess it was back to the free love years of the 60’s, although I wasn’t even born at that time, it was Tony’s prime years, so he definitely had more experience than some of us on what those hippie communities were about. Happiness was short lived, as Mary left Thuban, and Tony was left with no marriage and no community. But no worries, there was still the virtual harem to consider which was growing with new people coming in and peeking into what we were all about. The ‘Eye of Sauron’ was ever watchful looking for new horizons…and perhaps possible new ‘mates’, so it turned to the female aspect of Avalon…Project Camelot.
Up to today, continues to keep count on how many women remain...only difference that now in his 'logos inspired' war against Islam, he would not even dare using the word HAREM.
The most important aspect of this “Arthurian battle” of which I spoke earlier, had to do with “banning the falseness”. And as we grew in confidence because our ‘alter egos’ were being fed, and he was sure of our loyalty to him, he began evangelizing the “Word” of the “Logos” to other forums. When it would reach the climax of argumentation, I and other Thubans would come to the rescue trying to defend Tony and Raven on whatever their view was. Ultimately, the banning was actually a good thing, as Tony would always say it is a sign that ‘The Dragons’ are not wanted in the mainstream alternative community and if anything, it vindicates the position of “The Logos” and its data as being from ‘out of this world’. At which point the exact date and even time of the ban would be introduced into a chart that would explain how it fits with mathematical precision into a timeline that encompasses all events associated with ‘the last days’.
To be continued...
In The Vesica,